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I think if you say it like that it will encourage people to buy stigmata who are already thinking of buying it but havent made their decition about it

I would highly recomend banacheks DVD first, the reason being is that if you buy banacheks DVD you will not be disapointed if you dont like stigmata as there are other tricks on the DVD

Also because if you own banacheks DVD and know how stigmata is done i doubt you will want to purchace Stigmata from ellutionist, i mean can i just get a raise of hands who, out of the people who got the banachek DVD and know stigmata would seriusly buy stigmata from ellusionist???

really guys, i higly recoment you buy the banachek DVD first if you are considering buying stigmata, and find out how its done, then even if you want to invest in stigmata you will have other great tricks on the DVD and also banacheks own performance of stigmata...

or buy a book which explains how to do stigmata, or a donald duck book (whats up with that? lol) and then buy stigmata, unless you have alot of money to blow, in which case go for it and send some money my way while your at it

have to agree with partezan. you can learn the method from Banachek videos.
also this doesnt work very well if you are black! the red marks barely show up on me!

also this doesnt work very well if you are black! the red marks barely show up on me!

I suspect hairy arms may be an issue too...

Can i aks how long the marks on your arm stay on for you guys? I performed this on my dad about an hour ago and i still got the K♥ on my arm!

not sure why some people feel the need to bash Ellusionist at every opportunity??? pathetic really. they sell a well produced product at a price, buy it or leave it. I buy from them occassionally when the deal is good, and I can say by direct personal experience, their service is EXCELLENT! shipping too expensive but the airmail post option (which is priced OK) only takes 2 - 3 days longer to get to me than the Fedex Option (which is VERY pricey) so... if you're prepared to wait...

according to a Criss Angel interview i saw, Banachek (as has been stated earlier in this thread) was one of the originators of what has evolved, with the additional input of Wayne Houchin into "Stigmata".

then i see the clip interview video featuring Banacheck discussing W.H.'s Stigmata and he says:
"... beats out any predecessors that came anywhere close to it."
- Banachek, one of the world's foremost mentalists

who thought of it first? does Stigmata by Houchin show improved handling and presentation? is it worth the money? well, i dont own the DVD yet so i am not qualified to answer that... (think about that comment...) however based on most reviews i have read done by people who actually own W.H.'s Stigmata, it is excellent... and in consideration of the value i know i got when I bought Houchin's Coin in soda can DVD i think it is well worth risk of US$30 (less than 16 British Pounds) from Ellusionist.

The spectator thinks of anything. A name. A number. A memory. With the thought in mind, the spectator squeezes your wrist. Tightly.

When the spectator releases, red marks appear on your arm where they were squeezing. These marks of blood under the skin then slowly, visually, clearly re-arrange themselves into the shape of the spectator's selection. Seeing is believing.

I find that a bit miss leading someone will buy it thinking they can go up to someone on the street ask them to think of any name then squeeze your rist and the name appears, which is impossible unless you can do mind reading. i don't have the trick can only guess that it’s the same kind of principles as ashes on the arm it’s not like the person can think of a name in their head then touch your arm and the name appears. Just if it could do that now that would be a trick

nothing like ashes on arm my friend

I own Banachek's Psi Series and it is great. He's a consumate performer, and you not just learn the method for his version of Stigmata (I think the story is that both he and Houchin came up with it separately and each has different variations and presentations), but more importantly I think is how he works it into his routines.

That said, I think there's a difference here too. If you want to be springing this on unsuspecting people ("Hey, can I show you something?"), then I think Houchin would probably be better (I don't know, I don't have his version, but I suspect the "street" element will probably be strong), but if you wish to study to make present this to an audience who already knows you're about to do something, and hence has expectations, Banachek's will be more useful of course.

The strange thing is that I saw Stigmata on Banachek's Psi Series before I learned that Houchin has a version, and at that time, I just thought it was a nice trick, very clever, but very easily worked out, and not very, very impressive. Though from what I've read here, I think Banachek just wasn't putting in the require amount of acting. Heh.

So let me get this right I can go up to someone in the street never met them before ask them to think of a name, number, they hold my wrist and let go and what they was thinking in their head will appear on my hand?

Now that i would like to see

near enough - though it obviously wouldn't work straight away. you have to use some mentalism "tools" that are taught, and also the "seight" itself

I have had this DVD for a little over a week now. i think it is excellent. i have never seen the Banachek version so it would be unreasonable for me to compare. i have read and seen Banachek's comments re Wayne Houchin's Stigmata and they definately suggest this new version is superior to Banachek's (his own words).

there are 2 parts to this trick and both are well explained in the DVD.

(1) aquiring the information that will ultimately "appear" as "blood stains" under your skin. in other words, the process by which a thought of person's initials or selected card are aquired.

although there is not too much new for people with basic skills in this area, the execution and timing of these "processes" is well explained and a definate plus having seen WH's handling, because as with Sinful, it is very natural and well thought through.

(2) the actual appearance of "blood stains" under your skin and the process that makes this possible. this will take some practice. not because it is difficult, in fact it is remarkably easy. more because i have found with some "experimentation" you can DRAMATICALLY improve the results you get from "interesting" and "that kinda looks like a 7" to utterly AMAZING!

as with much of what we do, put the time into practice, the effect AND the presentation, and you will have a wonderful trick that you will not get tired of quickly.

impromptu? yes!
gimmicks? no, although i have found with the use of a discrete gimmick one can improve the results greatly!
reset? depends on the "method" you use. several are taught. all are good. at least one will reset almost immediately.

added features include useful "jump to" section menu and Banacheck interview, plus some additional Wayne Houchin routines (performed not explained).

overall a solid 8.5/10 and worthy addition to your kit.

I do own both videos.. and the only thing street about Waynes teaching is the fact he has a cameraman at least with him (probably a full film crew for all I know).. always helps when approching strangers in the street don't you think?
So don't wonder why you don't get the same reactions everytime you show a complete stranger

Thats not to say you won't get good reactions, if done well and you happen to be lucky enough to have sensitive skin this effect is a winner...

As far as it being a better presentation I'd say its different not better, not worse, at the end of the day its the same idea with two totally different characters performing it in two totally different styles.

Nothing new at all which is why he didn't show the effect in the demo.. just the reaction...

I just got my DVD yesterday, is very easy and quick to learn, now i just need to practice the "acting" or presentation.

I received mine 3 days ago. I am still practicing, so I have not used it yet. But I feel comfortable that this will come off without a hitch. As said before Wayne Houchin does an excellent job describing everything that is involved with this. There are 3 different versions, so you can choose wich one suits you best. I will be using the card version to begin with. Still working on my card handling. This is the second Houchin video I have purchased, Sinful was the first, and they are both great, I would not hesitate buying anything with his name on it.

How can you say that the description of the effect is misleading by saying that it cant be done anywhere anytime when you do not even own this effect? Thats like criticising a book you havent read or a restaurant you havent even eaten at!

With enough preperation, YOU CAN perform this ANYWHERE, ANYTIME!