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Hey all,


http://www.dynamoworld.com/media/loseyourbottle.wmv


Im sure almost every magician with basic knowledge can accomplish this trick. What really makes it for me is that immense smoothly accomplished flourish shuffle. Im trying to learn it from watching the video and getting there (slowly) but does anyone know a good dvd to learn really flash flourishes and false shuffles?

Also, when doing this trick (and all the variations e.g. card in window etc) do you tend to control the for**d card and hold it back incase they go through the deck after or actually find the card before finding it in the bottle? Or perhaps you just throw the whole deck. PM me your method, i tend to find people keep watching my hands even after i throw the cards.

Many thanks

Alex

For flourishes I think XB is supposed to be the best beginner DVD.

Dan and Dave's is silent but has a lot of different cuts.

I own neither

Kati

I own both of which Kati suggested and I can say that they are both greeeeaaattt! (As Mr Tony from Frosties would say )

XB goes really in depth about the basics and is just an awesome DVD. But for multiple cuts like the Sybil Dynamo did, it would be more of the stuff DnD would do. Brian Tudor has a DVD Generation Extreme but I don't know if you are willing to purchase a Penguin product .

Steve

Ultimatecreate... If you watch the video really carefully, you'll notice that he keeps one card in his hand at all times. I think you've found your answer there mate

I notice the reason the bloke looks to the cards is because Dynamo is just standing there holding cards and then BANG. Off flies the deck....

Although I have been looking for a control like that I must say...

katrielalex wrote:For flourishes I think XB is supposed to be the best beginner DVD.

Dan and Dave's is silent but has a lot of different cuts.

I own neither

Kati

I Dan and Dave on one magic site (had to check quite a few - most of the bigger stores surprisingly dont stock it, but XB i couldnt find at all. Is it simply called 'XB'??

Thanks,

Alex

Xtreme beginners? Or do I once again invent a DVD here?
Eckozero! save me again!

Found it! It is indeed Xtreme begginers
http://www.ellusionist.com/order/Devo/D ... D.htm?cat=

Damn... I was just about to come swinging in through the window wielding my source of knowledge as well

There's a few reasons why I don't like this trick.

For one - it's not a signed card. These kinds of effects lose strength, in my opinion, when it's just a card that was selected. Many spectator's can come to the conclusion that you just used a duplicate card and somehow ditched the other one.

Secondly - I don't know many spectators that would like the idea of having to pick up cards that you intentionally shoot all over the floor. I understand we're all looking for magic that happens in the spectators' hands - but I don't think this is the "in the hands" we are looking for. A spectator wants to be involved in the MAGIC, not the clean up.

The effect does work, and I'm sure that guy was actually shocked and amazed. But I still think a signed card to wallet would be a stronger effect.

I can definitely see where your coming from, but my opinion differs.

One of the great things about this trick is the way in which you can massively diversify - cards to windows, walls, bottles, cans - did it today by throwing the pack into a fan that was on and low and behold the selected card was stuck in between the grates! Fancy that

Some one is yet to accuse me of using du*****te cards (I’m sure this must be classed as revealing but hey hoe) although it has been said that I distracted them while sneaking the card into the bottle (O YOU FOOL!!!), and by retaining their card at the end, using a dupe seems to be an impossible concept to the audience, not to mention that when you do throw the cards (even with the dupe) they’re so fixated on the bottle/fan etc they don’t notice it even if its face up staring them in the face.

As for the ‘cleanup’ the audience members are usually quite keen to find out what has actually happened when the cards are thrown, one instance, a spec going to search before Id finished the sentence “Go look for you car….” If you get a direct hit with the object, no cleanup is usually necessary as its plain obvious what’s happened. I consider the cleanup to take place only when the magic’s OVER, and until they find their card – I do not consider the trick to be over. In this scenario, the cleanup IS the magic.

Obviously this trick particular trick is not suitable to all audience members i.e. OAP’s with rotting spines etc, but to the majority I find this a killer opening.

Just my opinion

Alex

I must again say that the effect does work - I didn't deny it. I saw a video of Dynamo doing a similar effect where the card turns up in a sealed can of beans (I think it was beans).

The effect is very strong - but I would still find a signed card to wallet/impossible location to be a more powerful trick.

You said no one has come out and accused you of using a dupe. But can you honestly say no one you've performed for has ever thought that? Vernon said it best. Your spectators aren't stupid, they're polite.

7-8 times out of 10, we just have nice spectators who forgive some slips. I know for a fact I've botched moves or flashed a card at the wrong moment. Sometimes your effect is killed - other times they forgive it and let it slide. I'm not saying you have botched or flashed - I'm just saying you haven't been exposed.... but it's likely a few people have guessed at the possibility.

Again - I think the effect works, and it is probably really powerful. My personal preference is to remove all doubt and have the card marked or signed. Granted, I can't get it into a water bottle - but unless there's ANOTHER magician around to do that effect and trump me, I guess the old wallet or card box will suffice!

Yes – it was a can of beans. Very impressive, any idea how he got it in there? Was thinking about doing something like that for a while.

Don’t doubt that having a signed card appear wherever is very impressive. I’ve never spent much time palming cards, and I know that the majority of magicians don’t use card palms on a regular basis, so for the moment card to wallet isn’t looking likely for me, although whether it is necessarily a ‘better’ trick than card to bottle is something we can spend ages about.

“But can you honestly say no one you've performed for has ever thought that? Vernon said it best. Your spectators aren't stupid, they're polite.”

I don’t think I can honestly answer this question because I simply don’t know. The probability is that someone, somewhere along the lines has probably thought of it. However, I also believe that what may seem very obvious and simplistic to magicians will totally perplex members of the audience. Remember that we had no idea what their card was, and until we threw the pack – that card was never there I think we forget how impressive such things are, and while simple and obviously a duped card to a magician, members of the audience are usually left mystified with no idea of how on earth their card got into the bottle.

I must disagree with Vernon’s quote – they aren’t ALL polite but some are. Agreed that some specs are very kind, and when I thought I flashed in the middle of a trick they keep quiet, I think most of the time they actually may happen to miss what’s going on if your going at pace. When you finish a trick they usually forget about the flash, or have no idea how it related to the end product, but if you decide to go to pieces on the finish – its usually game over, and they go to work on you a bit “But you’ve got 5 cards there, not 4” etc. However I think that some members of the audience will give you any explanation of a trick that comes to mind, simply because they’re so impressed and have NO sense of explanation for what actually just happened.

Regards,

Alex

There are quite a few no-palm card to wallet effects on the market. Snoop around and you should find something that works.

hmmmmmm - id imagine the wallet wouldnt make a huge difference? Just your method of getting it in there, I could be wrong, although I can't think of getting it in there with any other method. The Dvd corporate close up had a really good card to wallet ambitious card routine

Alex