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New to magic - Where to start?

Postby Maney » Jun 2nd, '06, 22:12



I'd like to start by apologising if this is in the wrong section or if these kind of threads come up often and you grow tiresome of them (or both :D ) :roll: :wink:

Anyway, magic is something I want to get into. I know magic is a very vague term, and from what my googling has shown me there are certain "sections" to it (mentalism, card tricks, street magic, etc). Anyway, for the moment I'm more into small tricks I can just produce from my pocket and impress people with. Then again, tricks such as pushing a needle through your arm unharmed amaze me so I'd love to do that sort of trick (I'd even go so far as to say if I can put a 6in needle into my arm as part of a magic trick and not get hurt, I'll die a happy man :D ). Card tricks disinterest me :)

Anyway, what I want to ask is where do I start? Can anybody recomend any specific tricks to help me get into it or any good books/DVD's, whichever would be better really. Also, if anybody mentions any products, a place I could buy them at a good price in the UK would be nice (if this contravines rules, feel free to pm them to me).

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jun 2nd, '06, 22:14

I have noticed in the past and get many emails asking 'how do i start in magic'. This essay started because of an email i received the other day. A new person to magic wanted to be able to perform for friends at parties. This person told me the list they 'had to buy' and i was shocked! it came to £700. So here goes.

1. 'I want to be like Criss Angel' You are yourself (as Craig said in another essay). Don't try to be a carbon copy of someone else, be original and be yourself. You must remember that these famous magicians have a huge budget and years of experience in the business. The companies who book magicians always like to see something different. Being yourself is great and who knows, one day people might want to be the next you!

2. 'I need to spend lots of money in magic shops to start' What a load of rubbish that is. I started with the Royal Road to card magic BOOK, two decks of bicycle cards and some sponge balls. Your local library may have some books to recommend for you. If you want to be modern and have a DVD then try to go for 'Born to Perform' or the 'Royal Road to card magic' DVD set.

3. 'How do i practise the moves' Practise in front of a mirror or film yourself with a video camera. You get a good view of what the audience sees.

4. 'When can i start charging people for my act'. This is a real bug bear of mine. Too many people try to run before they can walk. Anybody can go into a magic shop, buy some tricks and call themselves a magician. Magic is not about tricks, it is about people and how you interact with them. You are an entertainer and need to make sure the audience have a good time. Never advertise your act until you have a full act that has been practised and you are confident with. A bad act could really affect later bookings if word gets round in your area. When you are at a booking you are doing so much more than magic. For example when you work a restaurant you are providing business for the owner, you help distract the customers if the meal is late etc.

5. 'You say don't spend a lot of money on tricks but you do' What you have to remember is that working and professional magicians are buying effects as tools. This is how we earn our money. So don't try to keep up with all the latest trends.

6. 'What tricks should i learn' This depends on the magic you like. I would suggest starting with a few card and coin tricks. These will give you important skills in sleight of hand that will prove invaluable at a later date. Take your time learning the effects and enjoy what you do. There is no rush at all. Slowly work through the book or DVD and don't move on to the next section until you are confident with the last. Can you perform the trick while standing over a table, while talking to people etc. It is not a race to see who can finish the book or DVD first you know!

7. 'I am shy and don't know what to say to people' Practise your patter in front of mirror. Keep on saying it until you can do it in a clear and confident manner.

8. 'Isn't it easier to buy self-working tricks' I don't agree with this at all. Ok it is fine to have a few but too many people depend on them. These kind of tricks teach you nothing about magic. You don't learn any skills with them and it can work out more expensive. If you have good card skills then you can pick up a card book or DVD with say 20 tricks on for the same price as a couple of 'self-workers'.

I know this essay will get some comments and some people may not agree with all issues here. But the overall message is that learning magic need not be expensive and it is fun. Even if you do not end up working in the business you will still have some great tricks to show friends down at the local pub or at school.

Highly recommended magic shops /eshops

1. www.nothingupmysleeve.co.uk
2. www.jbtv.co.uk
3. www.magicshop.co.uk

A good general magic book is "Mark Wilson's Complete Course In Magic'. I would suggest you begin with some simple card effects to gain confidence and then maybe try some coin effects (no gimmicks yet!). This will begin to build valuable skills you will need later as you progress.


Mods: Hope you didn't mind me putting it here but it seemed useful :wink:

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Postby Pitto » Jun 2nd, '06, 22:22

Great Post! Mods can I suggest that is made a sticky somewhere for all begginers!

Anyway my oppinion, Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic is pretty cheap, it has a large section of cards, which you said you don't like, but, everything else is in there and it's a good place to start and to see what you do like.

Needle through arm is avaiable from NUMS ( www.nothingupmysleve.co.uk )

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jun 2nd, '06, 22:24

Thank you Pitto. I must say this is the stripped down version! I had planned a much longer one but it would fill a lot of pages!

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Postby AJ82 » Jun 2nd, '06, 22:53

stephenmagic, very usefull. Wish someone had said all that to me when I started out lol.

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Postby Maney » Jun 2nd, '06, 23:02

Thanks for the advice guys, especially stephenmagic.

The card tricks you say I should start with (although I don't particularly like them, I can definatly see their use to help gain confidence and pick up certain tricks/hand sleights. Presumably for this I'd just need a good book/DVD and a pack of cards? Can you recomend any books/DVD's for this purpose?

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jun 2nd, '06, 23:04

DVD Born to perform (get this NOW!!!) or Royal Road to Card Magic Book and / or DVD boxset. Have fun

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Postby AJ82 » Jun 2nd, '06, 23:05

stephenmagic wrote:DVD Born to perform (get this NOW!!!) or Royal Road to Card Magic Book and / or DVD boxset. Have fun


Totally agree I have Born To Perform and recently got Royal Road on DVD. Both are well worth the money.

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Postby Pitto » Jun 2nd, '06, 23:11

No, MWCCIM has cards but it isnt cards only there's loads in it BUY IT!

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Postby Maney » Jun 2nd, '06, 23:23

stephenmagic wrote:DVD Born to perform (get this NOW!!!) or Royal Road to Card Magic Book and / or DVD boxset. Have fun


The royal road to card magic is the one I'm looking at right now (too poor to buy DVD's atm :D ), I've searched on amazon (for price comparison) but found several books under the same name, are they just reprints of the same book? click here for the link

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Postby Maney » Jun 2nd, '06, 23:27

Also, I don't need special cards do I? I can just go to the pound shop and pick up a deck right?

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Postby AJ82 » Jun 2nd, '06, 23:46

Maney, unless the trick requires a "special" card or deck eg stripper deck, then no you don't need any special cards. Alot of magicians use bicycle cards as some find them easier to use. I now use Bicycle but for the first couple of months I did just use any old cards.

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Postby Pitto » Jun 3rd, '06, 09:45

Can I just suggest that if you don't like cards don't buy Royal Road. It isn't a condition that a magician has this book. If you think coins would suit you better gor for JB Bobo's Modern Coin Magic or *cough* buy Mark Wilson's Complete Course in Magic. It seems to be a reflex here that when someone says "Im a begginer" everyone types Born To Perform and RRTCm whether or not they want cards these are excellent starting points but they're awful if you aren't interested in cards :wink:

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Postby magicmonkey » Jun 3rd, '06, 11:24

my 2 pennies....

rrtcm could be considered awful if you aren't interested in cards, but then again, your audience maybe.
I was a chef for many years and although I despise cauliflower with a passion have been asked for creme de barry (cream of cauliflower soup *shrugs* dont ask me why on earth the French called it barry) more times than it's taste should allow in my opinion, so still made sure I knew exactly how to make it.
A bit of an abstract example, but I think it makes sense ;)

I know rrtcm may not be considered essential to a magician, however even if the magician themselves do not like card magic, they may be presented with someone who asks simply, "know any card tricks? i love card magic".
Then what do you do?
No card gimmicks on you. Only a plain deck in your pocket and you know just one self working trick with cards dealing them into 7 rows until you find their card that most people have been shown every Christmas at the family get together.
I have been doing card magic for friends and family for years now, but until about 4 years ago when i picked up royal road, they were practically ALL self working. I was adived by a cardist to go read it, he had been moonlighting as a waiter where I worked and had just baffled me with what I know was very easy and not exactly a trick that he'd learned, more something he threw together on the fly. Within minutes of mastering the very first chapter (as it suggests in the book, figure out each chapter before proceeding) I think my card trick repertoire increased ten fold even though it only shows you 4 or 5 actual tricks each chapter. It gives you ideas to use these techniques, but the main essense of the book is that instead of just teaching you trick after trick, it shows you from the very beginning ways to achieve certain, how shall i put this without getting an edit, conditions that can really help you in revealing a card. The rest once you have learned a few methods, even in the very beginning of the book, is up to you and how you imagine the spectator could be gobsmacked when you show them a card that they themselves put slap bang in the middle of the pack.

There are some astounding card tricks in there, but it's main aim is to show you chapter by chapter a new method to master that you can use for hundreds of other tricks. The first you could have at least show-to-friendsable by the time the sun goes down the day you get the book.
My absolute favorite is "design for laughter" and you get shown that within 80 or so pages....very easy but completely baffling to most (can be done in their hands for whoever has read it....they have no idea what the .... just happened. it's all in the order you place their cuts ;) my patter rocks!)

Put it this way, for ten quid or less, you have as many card tricks under your belt as your imagination will allow...... just in case you hear....

"go on, do something with the cards, ALL magicians do cards!"

*groan*

"oh all right then, but I don't know any good one's"

with that, you proceed to pull their chosen, signed card from your flies using very little effort.

I was a chef, I bought this book.

You want to do magic?
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Postby Maney » Jun 3rd, '06, 13:33

I've bought a deck of cards and that book arrives some time next week through the post :D

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