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Cyril Takayama

Postby BizKiTRoAcH » Jun 13th, '06, 13:19



I cant see much discussion about Cyril on here.. WHY?! I see a lot of talk about blaine, angel and other "big" magicians but in my opinion, Cyril craps all over these!

Everyone knows who I'm talking about right? If not, you may want to click here.

Cyril is superb and easily my favourite magician. Criss Angel doesnt even appear "magical" to me anymore, the latest season of Mindfreak is pretty poor. The illusions dont even look realistic. Blaine does stupid stunts and the odd magic trick or 2 in between. I've seen 3 Cyril dvds and one of his tv specials (and hundreds of clips on youtube) and i've only seen him do one stupid stunt.

Anyway, enough of my ranting.. how many Cyril fans are on this board? :D

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Postby seige » Jun 13th, '06, 13:30

Cyril is actually quite average. Yeah—there's some 'wow' factor to laypeople, but a lot of what he's doing isn't skill based or creative... it's totally prop-based and does all the work for him.

There's been numerous discussions earlier this year about Cyril, and they fizzle out quite dramatically.

And watching his 'audiences' are like watching an L&L video.

Sorry, but I certainly am NOT a fan.

I much prefer the artistry or skills of Blaine or Angel any day of the week.

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Postby Larry » Jun 13th, '06, 13:52

seige wrote:And watching his 'audiences' are like watching an L&L video.


ba zing! 'nough said there!

if i had that kind of money behind me i could do some of that stuff. did you see how much is coin production props cost? jesus, it was in the thousands!

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Postby seige » Jun 13th, '06, 14:01

My point exactly.

Lennart Green, or Cyril?

Difference is, a discerning magician would go for Green, I would imagine. Mainly because Green has learned and developed the skills with which he performs. Wheras Mr Cyril merely pays, learns, performs, earns.

I may be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that the stuff he does could be performed by anyone. And perhaps he isn't the man responsible for it either.

Personally, I put my faith, time and effort into watching magcians' whom I admire.

Cyril, I'm afraid, is just popcorn magic.

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jun 13th, '06, 18:06

If you look on U tube you should find his version of Spooked. This is really cool. But as our Seige say's, he does not perform much sleight of hand. A very cool performer though.

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Postby BizKiTRoAcH » Jun 14th, '06, 00:02

seige wrote:I much prefer the artistry or skills of Blaine or Angel any day of the week.


I wont argue about Blaine, if you ignore his stupid stunts, he is a superb magician.. but Angel? I thought so too but Angels stuff is too over the top and it doesnt look very "artistic" to me at all.

I prefer Cyril due to the fact that he focuses on magic, not levitating from one building to another. Even if it is all props and gimmicks, it looks a lot more realistic than the stuff Angel does.

"but a lot of what he's doing isn't skill based or creative... it's totally prop-based and does all the work for him."

I have seen the first season of Mindfreak and the eps of Season 2 that have aired and I cannot remember any of his stuff that was "skill based" or "creative". This is not a sarcastic comment even if it might sound like it... please refresh my memory as to what "skill based" or "creative" stuff Criss Angel has done. If possible, the episode in which he did it so I can rewatch it.

I was a CA fan but now I just think he's average. I'm a 'noob' to magic, I'm just starting to learn.. i only found out who david copperfield was a month ago. And I cant say I know of any "classic" magicians. That being said, I'm a 'noob' and even I can figure out 90% of CA's tricks. I know a lot of people who arent interested in learning magic wont be able to figure them out.. but I am very interested in magic now and I can figure out 90% of CA's tricks but I cant figure out a lot of Cyrils tricks.. that is why I prefer Cyril :D

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jun 14th, '06, 00:04

That is because many of Cyril tricks use expensive props that maybe you have not seen yet. His use of spooked is a classic and something i do a lot.

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Postby seige » Jun 14th, '06, 08:29

I'd class Cyril as an illusionist, and not so much a magician in the sense that he writes, creates and performs magic.

Then again, Blaine is quite a re-cycler!

But Angel is a prolific inventor and creator. I don't particularly like his style, but there's a certain edge which he's brought to magic which appeals to the masses.

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Postby BizKiTRoAcH » Jun 15th, '06, 03:21

While CA's stuff does appeal to the masses.. the masses havent seen Cyril. I've shown friends and family both CA and Cyril and they all prefered Cyril because his magic actually looks realistic whereas they thought CA's was over the top and unrealistic. They just didnt like the fact that Cyrils magic was all in Japanese :P

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Postby BizKiTRoAcH » Jul 1st, '06, 23:22

bumping my own thread here:

One new reason why I like Cyril more than anyone else.

Criss Angel: Gets free motorbikes, cars, gifts and millions of dollars to do unbelievable magic.

Cyril: Gets paid what I assume would be lots of money aswell and if he gets free cars and motorbikes he doesnt go showing it around at every opportunity. Instead, he went to Nepal in his latest special and done magic tricks for the locals and a class of school kids. One school kid enjoyed it that much and wanted to learn some tricks to show as a present to his sister or mother. Cyril taught the kid a trick and the kid done it for the person who loved it. The kid was so happy that he spent god knows how many hours making Cyril a nice little chain bracelet as a gift. The type of bracelet that can be bought pretty much anywhere for a dirt cheap price.. BUT its the thought and time that the kid put into it that makes the bracelet so 'special'.

so yeah, Criss Angel gets free stuff and shows it in every other episode and Cyril goes to little countries that probably dont have A&E to be able to see any kind of magic on tv and performs magic for under-privileged kids.

Oh, and Cyril is a better magician anyway :D

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Postby Larry » Jul 2nd, '06, 09:33

the word you're looking for is "did", first of all.
and can we not compare cyril and criss angel please? they're not the same kind of magician. how's about also comparing him to a slight of hand magician too? or copperfield? or how's about comparing him to a musician, or a footballer? (ok, I'm off on one here, i'll stop)

it seems to me you like him more through elitism more than anything, would i be correct here?

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Postby BizKiTRoAcH » Jul 2nd, '06, 11:14

I like him more because his magic looks real. If Criss Angel done magic as good as Cyril then I'd be a bigger Criss Angel fan.. but he doesnt. He concentrates on doing stunts and illusions which so far in the new season (and a fair chunk of the first season) have been a bit over the top and a lot of his tricks involve camera edits. After watching all eps of mindfreak that have been aired, and 3 cyril specials (and his 3 dvds), I prefer Cyril. Criss Angel used to be my favourite until I saw Cyril. And the reason I compare these 2 are because they are 2 'mainstream' magicians currently on TV. I dont compare him to Copperfield because he hasnt done anything in recent years (except maybe touring? no idea). I'm comparing them because they both do Street Magic, although Criss Angel does a lot of 'illusions' too.

If me thinking that Cyril has better skills than Criss Angel is elitism, then yes.

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Postby dat8962 » Jul 2nd, '06, 11:26

I think that a number of people here are stereotyping people such as Angel and Copperfield.

Whilst they are renowned for their illusions, people are forgetting (or perhaps don't know) that they both DO in fact have slieght of hand skills and can perform close up. Perhaps they're not up to some of the other top professionals but good they still are. In large scale illusions, I suspect that they've found a style of magic that they enjoy doing and there aren't too many others doing.

I don't know much about Cyril but he's not into the large scale illusions and as Siege has said, what you do see of him is gimick / prop based.

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Postby Larry » Jul 2nd, '06, 13:24

good points dat, it's like forgetting that Derren Brown is actually a really good card magician!
i'll leave this thread alone now, i can see me getting a bit worked up, a repetition of things that have been said 100 times going on, then this getting sinbinned quickly. adios

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Postby Yorkshire Pudding » Jul 2nd, '06, 15:15

people are forgetting (or perhaps don't know) that they both DO in fact have slieght of hand skills and can perform close up.


Going back a generation (and to name drop just a little)... my father was a good friend of the late, great Tommy Cooper. I was fortunate enough to meet him on a number of occasions, the last time being not long before his sad passing when he was doing a gig in Nottingham and stayed in the hotel where I was working at the time. I remember being completely amazed by some of the tricks he showed me, the public never realised that he really COULD do good magic when he wanted... of course, it suited him to keep this ability quiet, after all that wasn't his act!

One of my fathers favourite anecdotes was of him having lunch with Tommy in the Cafe Royal on Regent Street. Probably one of the most sophisticated and austere places to lunch in the West End at that time. My father casually remarked that he'd like to learn Tommy's linking ring routine sometime. Without hesitation, and to my fathers horror, Tommy reached into his bag and pulled out a full set of rings and proceeded to clang them around and do his full routine in full view of all the sombre diners! In no time at all he had the whole place transformed from sophisticated business like calm into complete hysterics.

What genius.... sadly missed.

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