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Postby ian69 » Jul 3rd, '06, 21:58



Just finished EckoZero's GF's palms. Won't post them up here without her permission but given it was from a palm print and nothing else I'm fascinated to see what she will say.

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Postby B0bbY_CaT » Jul 4th, '06, 00:31

you mean a palm "print" as opposed to a scan??? "print" like "finger print"???

hmmm... interesting. so EZ's palm was a scan?

what's the diff? do you get more detail in the print or???

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Postby EckoZero » Jul 4th, '06, 00:54

No... hers was a scan too....

You wont find much better anywhere and it's nothing - a rigmarole with a few bits of paper and lots of spiel. That is Mentalism

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Postby B0bbY_CaT » Jul 4th, '06, 01:18

ok, get it. you mean palm print and nothing else as in you have never read her posts etc so you only have the print to work with. at least you know something about her boyfriend. will that help?

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Postby EckoZero » Jul 4th, '06, 01:41

She read, replied, and then I read.

Nothing commented on (except maybe one 5 word sentence) could have possibly been helped by knowing me in any way.

Just to clarify...

You wont find much better anywhere and it's nothing - a rigmarole with a few bits of paper and lots of spiel. That is Mentalism

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Postby B0bbY_CaT » Jul 4th, '06, 02:35

not sure if you plan to post the review or not. can understand if prefer private, but would be interested to hear what you thought and what your girlfriend thought of it given this would be a much tougher one for Ian.

[edit] just to clarify what i mean... something like:

Ian made 10 points and 8 of them really made sense, 2 in particular were spot on and ... etc

you know kind of like your review of Ian's reading of your palm, just without the specific details if you prefer. given the fact there was only a scan for Ian to work with it could be interesting for you to compare accuracy etc. only if you want to.

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Postby ian69 » Jul 4th, '06, 08:56

It's up to the lady in question as to whether she will allow the reading and her reactions to be presented here.

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Postby Taiven_Grant » Jul 4th, '06, 12:54

Mr Lewis, do you perhaps have a review of your Palmistry video (by video I take it you meant VHS not DVD)?

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Postby ian69 » Jul 4th, '06, 13:54

Here is the reading, based on no more than palm prints (scan) of someone I know to be a young female, that is all. I will post her reaction later ....


Palm Reading for EZ's girlfriend

Information

Palm scan (no vertical definition). Known to be female, assumed age 18-22. In stable relationship. No further details. Scan is unclear is early lifeline and headline areas.


Palm Type – rectangular

A slight tendency towards the rectangular suggests a thinker, sometimes a dreamer, with a good imagination. You have a tendency to get bored easily and sometimes have to discipline yourself to concentrate. You have good creative energy.


Fingers - Sinuous, Tips trapezoid

You are an active person who can get nervous/frazzled at times but gets a lot done. You are likely to achieve early success, partly through sheer energy.


Fingers - individual

Long index finger – quite strong-willed, good leader, proud (in a good sense). Perhaps a little dominant/domineering at times, though that may develop later.

Long thumb – Quite strong willed, even stubborn at times.

2&3F close together - security of physical contact and warmth. Tactile.

Physical indicators – potential ovarian and intestinal problems evident on swollen 1st ph. of 3rd and 4th fingers. I’m not a doctor though.

Musical talent?


Hand Type - Air

Inner restlessness, tendency to worry, but en route to overcoming that, entering more stable period at the moment as evidenced by differences in hands.


Lines of Apollo

2 main jobs/courses in life. Perhaps currently unsure which to follow. Pressure towards one being resisted or unconscious concern about it.


Lifeline

High off thumb, long, well-defined, not too close in, large mount of Venus, clear of chains and breaks in right hand, some worry lines. Curve back.

A very positive and untroubled lifeline, with a good, supported start in early life that quickly grew into independence. This lifeline shows a good quality of life, without many of the difficulties that others will face. The chains in the early lifeline in the left hand show past difficulties that are now overcome, perhaps childhood/teenage illnesses or family probems. These are absent in your dominant hand. There are some worry lines, suggesting that there are concerns over current problems, but the clear life line in your right hand suggest these will be nowhere near as bad as they seem as the moment. You do not have great stamina and can tire a little at times, affecting your general enthusiasm. You can get depressed at times, although this is not a very marked tendency.

You have some inhibitions and feel nervous about displaying too much of yourself. However this tendency is slight and protects you from over-confidence and brashness. I wouldn’t class you as painfully shy for a moment.

You show a break in your lifeline (right hand) in middle age – taken together with the parallel head line on that hand it suggests a change of career, perhaps brought on by or taken together with significant retraining or new skills. This may be a return to formal education, an Open University degree or, given the rest of your hand, a creative writing course or similar.



Headline

Downward curve but not too pronounced, medium length, starts quite close to lifeline.

A good, clear thinker of above average intelligence and a creative, positive imagination that doesn’t stray into morbid fantasy but is an asset. Both intelligence and imagination were nutured at home. Practical thinker, but you like to surround yourself with beautiful things or things that inspire the imagination. Not overly materialistic.



Heart Line

Strong upward curve, ends nearer 2nd finger on left, 1st on right, light forks, uncomplex, some chaining on antidominant hand, ch. mostly absent on dominant hand. Quite physical, quite dominant, will develop.

Past – history of small illnesses, though this period is now over.

Current – strong health and physicality, strong sexuality. An internal tendency towards passivity or submissiveness in the latter but one not fully expressed. Do you go for strong men?

Future – good, clear health in the future. Some small bumps but nothing major. Will enjoy clear old age.


Fate line

Low in palm, ends at head line. Distant from LL. Towards 2nd finger. AD hand towards 4th finger before break back towards 2nd. Early developer

As suggested by the finger shape, you will achieve early success, possibly in the communications/music field, possibly something “unconventional”, though this field can also include the law, with its emphasis on good communications skills.

However long-term you are likely to settle in a more traditional/conventional role that is less goal-oriented. This may be linked to the other lifeline/headline factors suggesting a change and retraining.

This duality of direction is further reinforced by the two lines of Apollo.

The lack of medical stigmata (markings) suggest medicine/nursing is unlikely.

The lack of a sun line suggests that you won’t reach the top of your chosen profession, but the fate line suggested that anyway.


Overall

A very nice hand with an intellectual and creative slant, though not so much as to leave the practical behind altogether. Elements of imagination and unconventionality bound with a strong character make for an interesting person.

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Postby ian69 » Jul 4th, '06, 14:25

REACTION FROM SUBJECT

Hello Ian, just read your reading and going to give you my thoughts on it--thanks for doing it, very interesting stuff!


"Palm Type - rectangular

A slight tendency towards the rectangular suggests a thinker, sometimes a dreamer, with a good imagination. You have a tendency to get bored easily and sometimes have to discipline yourself to concentrate. You have good creative energy."

Yes very accurate. Was frequently described as a "dreamer" at school and home. I think I have a good imagination, and yes concentration is something I have to work at. Easily distracted.

"Fingers - Sinuous, Tips trapezoid

You are an active person who can get nervous/frazzled at times but gets a lot done. You are likely to achieve early success, partly through sheer energy."

The nervous frazzled bit is true, not sure how far the active part goes. Enthusiastic yes, but perhaps not active.


"Fingers - individual

Long index finger - quite strong-willed, good leader, proud (in a good sense). Perhaps a little dominant/domineering at times, though that may develop later."

Ummmm yes...unfortunately I am rather bossy, and all those things you mentioned would definitely describe me

"Long thumb - Quite strong willed, even stubborn at times."

Also true.

"2&3F close together - security of physical contact and warmth. Tactile."

Don't understand the "security of physical contact and warmth", perhaps you could explain? Tact is something that sadly, I rather lack.

Slight misunderstanding of tactile (vs tactful) here, but it was writtern after midnight ...

"Physical indicators - potential ovarian and intestinal problems evident on
swollen 1st ph. of 3rd and 4th fingers. I'm not a doctor though."

Interesting you should say that...I do have quite a few "womanly" problems. Guess I should poke a doctor about it.

"Musical talent?"

bu**er all. Can just about hold a tune.


"Hand Type - Air

Inner restlessness, tendency to worry, but en route to overcoming that, entering more stable period at the moment as evidenced by differences in
hands."

Asolutely, definitely a worrier. It's good to hear about things getting more stable.


"Lines of Apollo

2 main jobs/courses in life. Perhaps currently unsure which to follow. Pressure towards one being resisted or unconscious concern about it."

Sort of. The choice is out of my hands (awaiting exam results) but yes I am concerned.


"Lifeline

High off thumb, long, well-defined, not too close in, large mount of Venus, clear of chains and breaks in right hand, some worry lines. Curve back.

A very positive and untroubled lifeline, with a good, supported start in early life that quickly grew into independence. This lifeline shows a good quality of life, without many of the difficulties that others will face. The chains in the early lifeline in the left hand show past difficulties that are now overcome, perhaps childhood/teenage illnesses or family probems. These are absent in your dominant hand. There are some worry lines, suggesting that there are concerns over current problems, but the clear life line in your right hand suggest these will be nowhere near as bad as they seem as the moment. You do not have great stamina and can tire a little at times, affecting your general enthusiasm. You can get depressed at times, although this is not a very marked tendency."

Dead right in that section. I did have a good childhood, a trouble free one in all respects. Current worries is accurate. No I don't have great stamina that's very true. And yes although I do get depressed I wouldn't say I tended towards it. Also true.

"You have some inhibitions and feel nervous about displaying too much of yourself. However this tendency is slight and protects you from over-confidence and brashness. I wouldn't class you as painfully shy for a moment."

Amazingly correct! I can't even say much about this because it's just true!

"You show a break in your lifeline (right hand) in middle age - taken together with the parallel head line on that hand it suggests a change of career, perhaps brought on by or taken together with significant retraining or new skills. This may be a return to formal education, an Open University degree or, given the rest of your hand, a creative writing course or similar."

Creative Writing is something I considered very seriously. (You're scary) Obviously can't comment on the rest, I shall wait and see!


"Headline

Downward curve but not too pronounced, medium length, starts quite close to lifeline.

A good, clear thinker of above average intelligence and a creative, positive imagination that doesn't stray into morbid fantasy but is an asset. Both intelligence and imagination were nutured at home. Practical thinker, but you like to surround yourself with beautiful things or things that inspire the imagination. Not overly materialistic."

I think what you've said there is very accurate, apart from perhaps the practical thinker part...I don't consider myself a practical thinker at all.

"Heart Line

Strong upward curve, ends nearer 2nd finger on left, 1st on right, light forks, uncomplex, some chaining on antidominant hand, ch. mostly absent on dominant hand. Quite physical, quite dominant, will develop.

Past - history of small illnesses, though this period is now over."

Yes. Had a few small illness as a child

"Current - strong health and physicality, strong sexuality. An internal tendency towards passivity or submissiveness in the latter but one not fully expressed. Do you go for strong men?"

'strong health' is not all that accurate, although physically I'm in fairly good shape. Heh yes I do go for strong men, perhaps best not to think about that one for too long.

"Future - good, clear health in the future. Some small bumps but nothing
major. Will enjoy clear old age."

That is very very good to know


"Fate line

Low in palm, ends at head line. Distant from LL. Towards 2nd finger. AD hand towards 4th finger before break back towards 2nd. Early developer

As suggested by the finger shape, you will achieve early success, possibly in the communications/music field, possibly something "unconventional", though this field can also include the law, with its emphasis on good communications skills.

However long-term you are likely to settle in a more traditional/conventional role that is less goal-oriented. This may be linked to the other lifeline/headline factors suggesting a change and retraining."

Teaching is the field I'm hoping to go into, I think that's about as tradtional and conventional as it gets.

"This duality of direction is further reinforced by the two lines of Apollo.

The lack of medical stigmata (markings) suggest medicine/nursing is unlikely."

Correct, I have no interest in that.

"The lack of a sun line suggests that you won't reach the top of your chosen profession, but the fate line suggested that anyway."

I'm not a hugely career driven person anyway, so this doesn't bother me all that much.

"Overall

A very nice hand with an intellectual and creative slant, though not so much as to leave the practical behind altogether. Elements of imagination and unconventionality bound with a strong character make for an interesting person."

Thank you very much. That was a really interesting read, Ian. You definitely have a talent for Palmistry. Where did you learn your skills?

Thanks again!


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Postby ian69 » Jul 4th, '06, 22:17

Some last thoughts edited from an Email:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

1. Is it magic? Well, it's deception and verbal magic, I think.And it's certainly illusion. But I like Richard Webster's phrase "Psychic Entertainer".

2. Why bother? Well, I was intrigued by something Craig Browning said that I've probably quoted before: "An average psychic entertainer will make more money than an average magician". I thought I'd see if he was right and he is - I have earned money selling horoscopes but none throgh magic. He also recommended learning 2 methods, so I think I'll choose palm reading and tarot. Furthermore, I am a decidedly below average magician as sleight of hand is largely beyond me, perhaps because I had to change the hand I write with for good at one stage. I do like psychological magic/mentalism and am keen on swamis, muscle reading, pendulums etc. Put all together with something like palm reading and I can be a fairly convincing fake psychic, I reckon. I had the "village psychic" in my shop the other day and I was far better at it than she was :) Nevertheless I was intrigued at how fascinated people were with her even though I'd rate her IQ as under 90.

3. EDITED HEAVILY AT MARK'S REQUEST Richard Webster - He is a psychic entertainer who writes books like "Astral Travel for Beginners" and "Is your pet psychic?" and also has books for magicians etc. These have titles like "Pendulum power for the Psychic Entertainer" and are just fascinating! Also, because he comes from New Zealand and started with a small possible audience, he has done EVERYTHING, from mail order astrology to palm reading at flea markets to lecturing on psychic matters. A true all rounder and everything fits together. The books give him the credibility to sell the palm reading, then the customer goes home with an astrology leaflet etc.

4. You reckon you can get 20 quid for a palm reading? Not up here! I was thinking 7 or so! And a leaflet for my astrology stuff :)

5. Does Palm Reading work? Well, as I have demonstrated with her reading, it works quite well. I have tried to do it as Craig suggested - actually do it seriously rather than just Cold Reading. What I do first is just look at the palms/hands and get a first impression, intuition if you like. What kind of person has these hands? Then I go through the lines and fingers seriously and do the book stuff. Lastly I fill in with a tiny bit of CR where required. Actually in her case that was basically v little as I had nothing to go on really. Plus as I said to you, my assessment before getting your palms matched what the books said about them quite well.

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Postby themagicwand » Jul 4th, '06, 22:55

Ian69 - well done mate, truly impressive. What you're putting together for your "fake psychic" act is very similar to something I'm putting together and using myself. I use a little bit of card magic & mind-reading (mainly using marked cards & key cards), then couple that with "genuine" tarot and palm readings.

When I started working professionally as a magician in restaurants & wedding receptions, I quickly noticed how people would rather have their fortune told than see a cigarette pass through a pound coin. Therefore it made perfect sense to me to buy a few books on various fortune telling techniques than on the latest gimmicks. Even tonight (just returned from a 3 hour stint at my local Old Orleans themed restaurant), it was the fortune telling coupled together with predicting which card the punter had selected as their special card that really affects the punter on a personal and emotional level.

You can take all the disappearing coins, knotted ropes, and ambitious cards you like; one good piece of cold reading will knock them all into a cocked hat everytime. IMHO of course! :wink:

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Postby EckoZero » Jul 4th, '06, 23:35

Ian, both me and the missus were extremely impressed :D

Hope your fake psychic thing goes well :)

You wont find much better anywhere and it's nothing - a rigmarole with a few bits of paper and lots of spiel. That is Mentalism

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Postby ian69 » Jul 4th, '06, 23:58

Cheers chaps!

How's this for strange though? I went into it sure it was all rubbish but now I'm not so sure. I think I've spooked myself. Someone inject some reality quick! :)

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Postby Tomo » Jul 5th, '06, 00:00

ian69 wrote:Cheers chaps!

How's this for strange though? I went into it sure it was all rubbish but now I'm not so sure. I think I've spooked myself. Someone inject some reality quick! :)

Reality injection: it's Wednesday, you're still up and it's work in the morning.

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