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In one day of practice (a schoolday, so it was more like a few hours) of the first day that I got The System, I was able to do the werm, and I'm not even that good at flourishes. I still need to make it smoother and faster, but my point is, it can be done. The Werm (second page of archives) is a good starting point, if you're stuck.

zetly_85 wrote:but one more time.. NEED ALOT AND ALOT OF PRACTICE TO DO JUST ONE MOVE.

Hmmn, I really don't think that.

Anyone can do these moves, they're not hard, the hard bit is that once you have learnt the move is to do it smoothly and fluidly.

As TaR said, The WERM is a good starting point, one of the msot impressive cuts on the DVD but also the easiest. I really don't think it would take a day to learn, more like 10 minutes.

Well, by learn I meant not only be able to do it, but do it (almost) every time and do it well. I agree that it's easy, but it took about ten minutes (for me at least) to be able to see what went where. But then again, I'm a begginer.

Also, I came up with a neat presentation to go with the werm to make it a trick. PM me for the basic instructions. (Once you get the werm, it's basically self working)

I just purchased this as a download.. is there anything missing off the DVD that isnt on the DVD besides the hidden easter eggs which Im not too fussed about right now,

There only seems to be one angle to learn from which isnt so much a problem but I just wondered whether to add the DVD to a future shopping spree?!

I have this and only put it my drive twice , endless sybil verations and the likes. But its really hard to learn from almost as bad as a Tudor DvD I.D buy David Stones Dvd or some sponges.

Hmm Im a big fan of flourishign though even though Im not all that good at it. I love De'vos stuff.. and would work night and day to flourish like the Buck Bro's. I think Ill give it a chance though its clear it will be hard to learn from with no actual instruction!

Just wait till January 07 and get their new DVDs, the Trilogy! 3 DVDs, one on magic, one on flourishes, and one on... well... everything else!

I think flourishing is a great thing to do to smoothen up your card handling! It keeps the fingers nice and dexterous and makes practising magic soooo much easier. Before, it would take me forever to learn a card trick and get it down smoothly. Now, with little practice, I can learn new tricks with ease and more difficult sleights, like the pass, are fairly easy for me .

Steve

Getting some intresting reads out of this thread

I guess I'm lucky that I'm very patient, because I actually started flourishing (and anything cards related for that matters) with The System DVD...might of been a stupid choice making Madonna my very first cut, took me a whole week of practice before I actually started pulling it off!

The System is hard to start flourishing on, and yeah the teaching style will seem somewhat weird at the beginning, but in all honesty, I wish all flourish DVD's would now have the same teaching style System has, all modern DVD players now have options to slow/zoom/rewind/pause, so there shouldn't be an excuse about the inconvinence of the teaching, or just play it on your pc, alot more options like rotating the picture upside down for top view

I also saw Generation Extreme being mentioned here, I'll agree about the teaching, but if you were really keen on learning the moves/routines, then a simple "the teaching sucks" shouldn't stop you from mastering the moves, just like it dosn't stop me. I actually disable my sound so I don't hear Tudor reading obvious things out of a piece of paper, and just watch the moves a few times in 1/2 the speed, then copy them.

On the syetem download, can you go upside down with the angles. I dont thinkl you can.. I like do break down each fingers movement and you cant do this with the system, whats going on underneath the pack seems to be crucial to some cuts. I have just learned the werm which Im pysched about but the harder cuts are going to cause some bloodspill to get down right

I.D wrote:On the syetem download, can you go upside down with the angles. I dont thinkl you can.. I like do break down each fingers movement and you cant do this with the system, whats going on underneath the pack seems to be crucial to some cuts. I have just learned the werm which Im pysched about but the harder cuts are going to cause some bloodspill to get down right

Just import the movie file into some kind of video editing programme (I think Windows Movie Maker Allows it), and turn it upside down and watch it in there.

For the record, a chimp could most probably learn theses cuts (Hence George the monkey ), the hard bit and the bit that most people don't do is practice, get the cuts smoother and flowing.
For some reason, I look at myself flourish and say "This is probably the fastest/smoothest/best I'll ever be at this". I look at myself in about a month's time and I am still improving.

Like I said though, grab Brian Tudor's "Showoff" and "Showoff 2" to learn the basics such as One handed revolution and Sybil.

The important thing to remember, and somethings I really forget this. Is that Dan and Dave made The System to inspire us in our everyday magic and flourishing, they expected us to learn the material and create our own moves using the cuts as a template. Then when experience gathers, you should make your own original cuts.

I mean the two links in my signature are very active flourishing forums, people submit videos and most people are looking for new and unique material in their videos.
I mean Dan and Dave actually said that it is boring to watch a video of someone doing the Madonna, or Sybil. So use these cuts for ley audiences or something to kill your boredom, but I really suggest that you make your own cuts sometime.

Got showoff 1&2, waste of money.. watched it once refuse to watch it again. Taught myself the revolution by watchin other peoples cuts using it.

I have a couple of cuts down... the werm, kyrptonite, and madonna ( kind of ) and I agree its just about practice and with the average of 7/8 hours a day in total, I am improving dramatically.

What I meant with the angles, was to see whats going on underneath the packet.

I.D wrote:Got showoff 1&2, waste of money.. watched it once refuse to watch it again. Taught myself the revolution by watchin other peoples cuts using it.

Hmn, so why was it a waste of money?, these videos are basically what started the world of card flourishes, or at least boosted them to what they are now.

If your talking about seeing underneath the packet in the Madonna, as that is something I found a little tricky at first, it is covered in alot more detail in Showoff 1 and 2 as "Bad Habit", where the packet is placed to the bottom of the deck.

I see learning card flourishes like learning magic really, anyone can learn how to do it and do it, but it takes months sometimes years to get it smooth.
For example, I have been doing Paul Harris' "Invisible Palm" for around a year now, and haven't really shown it to many people, when I first started off it was probably jerky and unsmooth as hell, but when you do it again and again you get it smooth and the patter follows and compliments the magicial actions.

If you screw-up or make a magic trick look bad, you become a bad performer.
If you screw up a cut or do it terribly, again its a bad and undone performance.

However, I'd say about 25% who have bought the system have put this much dedication into cuts, people usually work for around a month or two on the material and put the deck away, its not good enough if you want to be performing card flourishes along with your magic.

Heck I know guys who have worked on perfecting certain flourishes for years, and even they still think they aren't good enough or they can do it better. There is no upper limit to perfection.

I got the system, I don't like the method of teaching, as sometimes, like with the Madonna it takes a long time to wait for the guy to start again. I usually try it a few times and then find some tutorial on youtube that explains the basic moves slowly and step by step. Then I go back to the dvd and copy it... Can only do Genesis and WERM now after three weeks....