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Please sign this petition to ban exposure 1000+ sigs already

Postby Daedellus » Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:39 am



Hi,

I'd just like a moment of your time to make a request.

MVD Emailed me this link to an electronic petition to ban magic exposure videos on YouTube, so far there are over 1000 sigs and we need your help to get more.

Exposure sites kill magic, damage peoples reputations, and hurt peoples livelyhood.

Please do your bit and sign the petition today, and help keep the secrets of magic for those who work hard to learn them, and take joy in performing them.

Thankyou,

Adam.


(Would be great if a mod could sticky this somewhere)
Note from Mods: OK, have done so!

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Postby Tomo » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:25 am

Signed it a month ago!

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:40 am

I can't get to it, it says Your IP has been banned from this server.

Going to sulk now, it obviously doens't like me :cry:

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Postby Mandrake » Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:47 am

Would it help to copy and paste the link - http://thiscause.org/p/menu.php?p=Depot52666DB

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:00 pm

still doesn't like it, I'll have to try it from home tonight instead.

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Postby Harry Truman » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:03 pm

Thanks for the link, just signed it.

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Postby Mandrake » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:16 pm

It's a pity we can't do something similar with Wikipedia :cry: .......

(Interestingly, they define Exposure in magic quite well at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_%28magic%29 so they know what they're doing)

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Postby Harry Truman » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:27 pm

A shame indeed, Mandrake. Fortunately, however, those that search for exposure tend to be those that dislike to read, preferring to have things spoon-fed to them.

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Postby supermagictom » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:31 pm

Mandrake wrote:It's a pity we can't do something similar with Wikipedia :cry: .......


Maybe we can? Maybe a petition would work.

I had an idea to just edit and delete all the information, whenever magic exposure is written on it. But then we would probably be the ones to get banned for 'vandalism'. So it wouldn't really work.

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Postby Mandrake » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:50 pm

The Magic Circle have made strong approaches to Wikipedia about this and the response was basically 'tuff' - it was wrapped up a bit better than that but they have no intention of removing anything as it's all 'knowledge' and such knowledge must be freely available to all. Yeah, right! They have a point but they still don’t need to say exactly how something is done.

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:53 pm

But surely if a trick is copyrighted (and some that they expose are) they should be made aware that legal action could be taken against them. That might convince them to do something about it.

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Postby Mandrake » Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:11 pm

Sadly not - check out King Rising for the full gory details for all to see.
And please don't call me Shirley :wink: .

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Perhaps I'm confused...

Postby Dr. B.A.Loonatic » Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:42 pm

I just followed the link and signed the petition. It sounded like the "right" thing to do at the time.

Then I followed the link to the page that was referred to IN the petition and found that it is a site called, "Magic Video Depot".

Unless it's owned by You Tube, as far as I can tell it's not the same thing. What I saw there (at least on the main page with strictly "Guest" access) seemed to me like people posting their performance of various sleights for the purpose of gathering feedback from fellow magicians. I only looked at about a dozen videos or so and though some were done poorly, most were done well and none that I could see revealed any real secrets.

One video did show some ring flourishes from a De'vo DVD that is currently available for sale, and another member pointed out that it might be inappropriate to demo the moves citing the fact that De'vo wanted the moves to remain private from anyone who hasn't bought the DVD.

I'm split on this one point. Though I totally respect De'vo's wishes with regards to his proprietary rights, I don't see that the member who posted the video did anything more than post a performance. He did nothing to reveal any secrets, nor did he give any instruction.

I presume that by buying the video, the magician has implied permission to perform the effect. There is no difference between what he did and someone else purchasing a trick and then performing it for a large audience, or for his local magic club prior to a public performance.

Maybe I'm off the mark, and maybe I didin't look thoroughly enough but I didn't see anything that I believe a LAYMAN would catch on to. Certainly there was nothing that blatantly divulged how the trick was done.

Just my humble opinion. For the record, I do agree that anything that actually REVEALS SECRETS freely without "membership requirements" or some other sort of screening process should not be available to anyone just browsing the web. Therefore I do agree with (and support) the intent of the petition, I'm just not sure it applies to the content I personally saw on the website specified in the "related web link" listed on the petition.

Just my thoughts.

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Postby Harry Truman » Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:55 pm

If you have a look at the petition then Magic Video Depot is the author, YouTube is the recipient, meaning that Magic Video Depot started the petition against YouTube. I made the same mistake myself when I first read it ;)

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Postby Dr. B.A.Loonatic » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:00 pm

Thank you for the clarification!

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