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by **Kobra** » Mar 13th, '07, 17:27

yeah i noticed that today, c&p im afraid

by **Carl Buck** » Mar 13th, '07, 17:27

seige wrote:Many moons ago, I had an idea which involved me having two envelopes, on in each inside breast pocket. In each envelope was a single card.

There was a 1 in 26 chance of someone guessing one of them, so when I asked 'Think of a card, any card' I could possibly have a mini miracle on my hands.

In one envelope I had the ace of spades, the other had the queen of diamonds.

And out of about 30 or 40 tries, nobody ever guessed it.

I have the king of clubs in my (normal) wallet. ONCE I've had a chance to pull it out, and everyone was amazed. Doesn't happen often enough though :cry:

by **copyright** » Mar 13th, '07, 17:40

The trouble with card effects such as this is that people eventually start thinking "what if I had said another card?" and then pretty much work it out. Even good marketed effects run this risk, people are amazed at the time and then just assume you had one card and had a 'get-out' planned if it wasn't chosen. Perhaps worse, people assume that most people say the same few cards and you had one in each pocket, now the trick is really mundane.

by **seige** » Mar 13th, '07, 17:48

copyright wrote:The trouble with card effects such as this is that people eventually start thinking "what if I had said another card?" and then pretty much work it out. Even good marketed effects run this risk, people are amazed at the time and then just assume you had one card and had a 'get-out' planned if it wasn't chosen. Perhaps worse, people assume that most people say the same few cards and you had one in each pocket, now the trick is really mundane.

What you say has a modicum of truth. However, quite a lot of mentalism relies on the 'what if' being factored out.

by **DrTodd** » Mar 13th, '07, 20:31

seige wrote:
copyright wrote:The trouble with card effects such as this is that people eventually start thinking "what if I had said another card?" and then pretty much work it out. Even good marketed effects run this risk, people are amazed at the time and then just assume you had one card and had a 'get-out' planned if it wasn't chosen. Perhaps worse, people assume that most people say the same few cards and you had one in each pocket, now the trick is really mundane.

What you say has a modicum of truth. However, quite a lot of mentalism relies on the 'what if' being factored out.

Absolutely, e.g. Max Maven's paper ball and the colour prediction, or many of things in Banachek's PS1.

by **copyright** » Mar 13th, '07, 21:43

I'm not talking about mentalism in general but cards taken out of wallets as described above.

by **seige** » Mar 13th, '07, 21:52

copyright wrote:I'm not talking about mentalism in general but cards taken out of wallets as described above.

I know. I wasn't defending the effect from that angle. In fact, far from it.

I personally fully agree with you that there's always the 'what if' with card effects. Mainly because there's a finite result: 1 in 52.

I do, however, find that most people are still wowed by card predictions. Theoretically, there ARE 'favourite' cards. And there are also psychological forces. But the end result of a dropped-jaw is all I am interested in sometimes!

by **IAIN** » Mar 14th, '07, 10:00

...personally, i really like the "what ifs" of effects...

what if i'd picked a different envelope/card/coin/body part?
why did i say/do it?
was i influenced?
was someone really playing with my mind?
what if didnt drink that pint of gin last night?

i think mentalism in particular should play more on that...like the whole "cant escape your fate" way of thinking...

i dont use wallets at all in performance though...i think i bought the stealth wallet, but only really used it once or twice...just didnt suit me, not because it wasnt a good product though...

by **Charles Calthrop** » Mar 14th, '07, 14:42

seige wrote:...And out of about 30 or 40 tries, nobody ever guessed it.

Going off-topic...Use DFs and double your chances.
DB goes deeper down this line of thinking in a passage in Pure Effect, not using an envelope, but giving yourself the best possible chance of a 'do-nothing' miracle from a standard, shuffled deck.

by **seige** » Mar 14th, '07, 14:52

A DF can't be handed out in a sealed envelope and opened by the speccy really though! I did this as a kind of 'holy grail' effect.

If it worked, it worked. If not, nobody would ever know!

by **Charles Calthrop** » Mar 14th, '07, 14:59

Fair enough. It's a good way of doing 'favoured card' research though! Can you share anything interesting in that regard?

by **seige** » Mar 14th, '07, 14:59

There was a thread about it some while back... if I find it, I'll post you the link...

by **DrTodd** » Mar 15th, '07, 07:29

Carlos75 wrote:OK I'll have my 10p worth.

After reading this review on thursday I ordered the effect from world magic, and it arrived saturday morning. As soon as you open the box you can see that there is a HELL of a lot of work gone into this effect, the thinking behind it is outstanding. You also receive a DVD of Mark explaining the trick etc, and like someone posted above you're not just spending £70 on the effect but also the thinking behind it, and the work that has gone in to develop it!

I agree if magic is your hobby then it may seem expensive, but this one effect could be your reputation maker. I've already performed it to friends and family, as practice, and the reactions you get are out of this world.

In a nutshell, if you've got £70 spare get it, you won't be disappointed. If you haven't got £70, save up, it may be the cost of 3 tricks but there are actually more than 3 routines you can do with this trick.

And the day copyright or anyone else invents a trick where a spectator can think of any card, without a force, and only that card is in their wallet and everything is examinable at the end I will be first in line to buy it. In the meantime, this one will do for me!

I have to agree with Carlos here. Mine arrived yesterday and it is really very nice. I am looking forward to performing this and it will feature early on my in small theatre show, since it immediately establishes credibility and big impact. It appears stronger than KK or Heirloom.

by **Kobra** » Mar 15th, '07, 12:10

Was it just me who thought he recording in a teashop. Wasn't until the pub audience that I realised

Like the trick alot, would recommend; pricy yes, but I think for the material, it is worth it

by **magicdiscoman** » Mar 15th, '07, 14:49

just a thought since its a well i wont say what, it should be possible to have a slip of paper be in the envelope with a chosen word or phrase giving you 52 possible, 53 if you can pw.

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