Bang On - Marc Oberon

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Postby Lawrence » Mar 8th, '07, 18:29



while at the blackpool convention i was having a chat with Mr Oberon and he says "i'll show you a trick, and if you like it, you can have it" so I'm thinking to myself 'well, I'm obviously going to say i do like it here' and also trying to use my powers as a mentalist (choff) willing him with my mind: 'show me bang on, show me bang on'. so he showed me Out Of Orbit, which is quite a nice trick. never really expected him to go giving away £70 worth of stuff really, but you never know...
free trick at least, and it's very nice, as predictions go.

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Postby MagicTJH » Mar 8th, '07, 20:25

Having seen the demo, it almost looks cleaner than Kollosal Killer!

Can anyone who owns both compare the two?

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Postby ferrari1 » Mar 8th, '07, 21:59

Hi,

This effect looks very interesting! Could you please tell me if you 'must' use an envelope to reveal the card, or could you just have a card in your wallet?

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Postby gunnarkr » Mar 8th, '07, 22:51

ferrari1 wrote:Could you please tell me if you 'must' use an envelope to reveal the card, or could you just have a card in your wallet?

That's the beauty of it.
You open your wallet and there is a closed envelope in it. You open the envelope and pop the card out in your other hand, the chosen card! So it's not a wallet with all kinds of slots and sections and pockets, just one envelope in plain view as soon as you open your wallet... with the chosen card inside :)

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Postby gunnarkr » Mar 8th, '07, 23:01

MagicTJH wrote:Having seen the demo, it almost looks cleaner than Kollosal Killer!
Can anyone who owns both compare the two?

I don't know Kollosal Killer, but it's been reviewed here.

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Postby bananafish » Mar 9th, '07, 09:13

It is cleaner than kollossal killer in that there is no "out by one" out. They really can think of any card and you really can produce it from your wallet...

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Postby seige » Mar 9th, '07, 09:29

This effect doesn't need to qualify as 'cleaner'. For the simple reason that by virtue of it's method, it is in fact 'clean' full stop. In as much as the effect plays exactly as every mentalist dreams of—pick ANY card, and it's in the wallet.

The envelope is a necessary part of the effect in as much as the selected card is INSIDE your pocket, INSIDE a wallet, INSIDE an envelope. This is further in-your-face spectator psychological kicking which defies logic...

I would also add that this effect doesn't rely on any fiddling inside your pockets (indexing) and is practically so easy to perform that the only thing you need to worry about is hamming it up.

That said, I would keep the hamming up to a minimum, and just go for the 'saying it how it is' approach.

I've heard it said that people compare this to an ID, and an ID is way cheaper. However, the resultant effect of this trick can be so powerful that it can quite literally leave a spectator speechless, as it is so instant.

Most of us have performed similar feats with an indexing system, but we all know how much hassle there is getting the card and looking natural. Let alone then inserting the card into an envelope, and then into a wallet.

The age old dual-purpose method of 'magician proofing' items—i.e. offering the spectator a chance to isolate the props from the magician to counter any moves the magician *could* perform—is very popular in shows, as it is usually this part which is the talking point afterwards, e.g. "But he took the card from an ENVELOPE, which was INSIDE A WALLET!!!".

Like I said, this 'magician proofing' usually has another purpose, which actually facilitates the method rather than hampering it, obviously unbeknown to the spectator.

In essense, it is what your spectator remembers AFTER the effect which is important sometimes—leave them thinking the impossible has just happened.

With this particular effect, even magicians have been left stumped as to the actual method, as it appears so clean, and so impossible.

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Postby ferrari1 » Mar 9th, '07, 10:16

I disagree that having the card appear from an envelope is the 'beuaty of it'.

If I'm around a friends house at a dinner party or something, it would be completely un-natural to have an envelope in my wallet. It would be far stronger to have the card just sat in my wallet. Much more natural, much less chance of them thinking it must be something to do with the envelope - which it clearly is.

I like to perform effects that have NO explanation. This effect, although next to impossible to work out, would still leave the spectator thinking (even hours later) that it 'must' have been something to do with that un-natural envelope that came out of his wallet... i.e. they would be thinking 'if he really did know my card before I picked it, why not just have the card in his wallet'.

And what if they ask to examine the envelope - i.e. to check that there are not multiple selections in there - can they do that?

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Postby IAIN » Mar 9th, '07, 10:18

the 3 p's of magic - presentation, presentation, presentation...

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Postby seige » Mar 9th, '07, 10:29

ferrari1 wrote:I disagree that having the card appear from an envelope is the 'beuaty of it'.

If I'm around a friends house at a dinner party or something, it would be completely un-natural to have an envelope in my wallet. It would be far stronger to have the card just sat in my wallet. Much more natural, much less chance of them thinking it must be something to do with the envelope - which it clearly is.

I like to perform effects that have NO explanation. This effect, although next to impossible to work out, would still leave the spectator thinking (even hours later) that it 'must' have been something to do with that un-natural envelope that came out of his wallet... i.e. they would be thinking 'if he really did know my card before I picked it, why not just have the card in his wallet'.

And what if they ask to examine the envelope - i.e. to check that there are not multiple selections in there - can they do that?


As a rule, I don't have envelopes OR wallets in my pocket. Come to think of it, it's also pretty unnatural to have a pocket load of spongeballs... But then again, when I am out as a magician, I do.

You must think like a spectator, not like a magician. At a performance, you are in control.

It never pays to be narrow minded about such things...

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Postby Nightfall » Mar 9th, '07, 10:48

Can you pass the envelope for examination after you have presented the card ?

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Postby seige » Mar 9th, '07, 10:54

Nightfall wrote:Can you pass the envelope for examination after you have presented the card ?


Why would you want to? Did Selbit ever offer his lady, saw or box out for examination?

I think you guys are pulling this apart without taking it at presentational value. When performed correctly to an audience, these effects are in YOUR CONTROL.

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Postby Nightfall » Mar 9th, '07, 11:11

seige wrote:Why would you want to? Did Selbit ever offer his lady, saw or box out for examination?


LOL ! You are very true !

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Postby gunnarkr » Mar 9th, '07, 11:32

ferrari1 wrote:I disagree that having the card appear from an envelope is the 'beuaty of it'.

If I'm around a friends house at a dinner party or something, it would be completely un-natural to have an envelope in my wallet. It would be far stronger to have the card just sat in my wallet...

I don't know if you are aware of how silly that just sounds. What is "natural" about performing magic? Are you even a magician? (You haven't even introduced yourself here in the forum, and starting a debate without an introduction what so ever is "un-pollite" and "un-natural".) Believe me, I have tried this magic trick and the effect to open your wallet and take out an envelope which is in plain view when you open the wallet, open the envelope and shake out the only card in it, which indeed is the selected card (thought of), is a killer effect.
ferrari1 wrote:And what if they ask to examine the envelope - i.e. to check that there are not multiple selections in there - can they do that?

What if they ask you to examine your ID? ...your coin shell? ...your Svengali deck? ...your pockets? ...your bank account?
Have you ever performed magic in front of an audience? Do you tell your audience every time how something is done when you have finished doing it? You, as a magician, are in charge. You don't have to show everything to the audience and if you're really good you don't even get the question.

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Postby ferrari1 » Mar 9th, '07, 11:49

Hi Gunnarkr,

Yes I have performed lots of magic in front of people. As far as I'm concerned, I am a relaist when it comes to magic - I don't go for these gimmicked effects that can be pulled apart by anyone with an ounce of common sense. For example, with this effect it is blatently OBVIOUS that the secret lies with the envelope. I have absolutely no idea how the effect is done, but the first thing i thought when looking at the video was 'it's obviously the envelope'.... and trust me, that is what everyone else will think too.

I like my magic to be bombproof - This is only usually possible if the effect is examinable. With this effect, someone only needs to say 'WOW, that was amazing... but wait, let me take a look at that envelepe'.... if that happens, you have to make up some silly excuse and you look like a prize fool. If I saw you perform this effect at my dinner table, I would want to look in the enevelope (i.e. to check that there are not lots of 'outs' in there too). So what if you can shake the envelope - you only need to squeeze whats in there and nothing would come out. It's just a very weak finish. And the type of clients that I perform to have this EXACT inquisitive mind - you simply MUST be able to disprove any and all theories with some audiences.

As I said first, it would be much stronger if the car was just in your wallet - i.e. an item that everyone carries. By having an envelope, it takes the effect into the 'gimmick' category, which is not my thing.

And of course no-one wants to examine a real human lady. They know she is real. What they dont believe is real is a completely UN-NATURAL enevelope in a magicians wallet - WHO KEEPS AN ENVELOPE IN THEIR WALLET!!!!!

It's all about being a realist and thinking how a spectator thinks. Not a dumb spectator like you might perform to, but intelligenet people that actually like to work out how effects are done - i.e. to give them a ego boost. With those people, they want to examine everything.

As i said above, if someone knows how its done, without actually knowing how its done (i.e. like knowing it must be the enveleope, but still not knowing the exact method), then what's the point?! That's not magic!

It's like those goofy magicians that perform ridiculous stage illusions. No-one actually knows how he makes that lady zig-zag in a box, but they DO know that it's the box that is the secret. In those type of situations, what's the point?! They know how it's done, without knowing the exact secret.

Be more of a realist, not some goofy magician that thinks people are impressed by some sponge balls and strange envelopes.

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