Bang On - Marc Oberon

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Postby Gochos The Greek » Mar 9th, '07, 18:18



Just performed Bang on in Greek and the reactions were exactly the same as performing it in English. Thought i share this with you as some similer effects out their cannot be performed in languages aparently apart from English. So yes my foreighns friends, purchase Bang On and you will be ok.

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Postby gunnarkr » Mar 9th, '07, 20:25

Kalispera! :)

I just performed it, about 15 minutes ago... in Icelandic. :P
This is how it went:
    I said: Think of a card, any card.
    Spectator said: OK.
    I said: Name the card.
    Spectator said: 9 of Clubs.
    I opened my wallet, took out the envelope, opened it, shook out the only card inside it... indeed the 9 of Clubs.
The spectator was completely gobsmacked. I slipped the card back in the envelope, put it in my wallet and back in my pocket. The spectator was still speachless but starting to smile a bit when I thanked him and said bye.

    He said bye and added: That was great!

(Ergo: If you do your thing, you don't always get: How did you do that or let me see... You amaze and everybody is happy!)

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Postby copyright » Mar 10th, '07, 06:34

(Ergo: If you do your thing, you don't always get: How did you do that or let me see... You amaze and everybody is happy!)


If your thing is performing for strangers. The huge majority of people buying magic perform for their friends and colleagues and so don't have the option of walking off before the spectator has the chance to speak.

It's impressive that someone can say a card and then the magicians produces it from there wallet. It's also impressive that someone can say any two digit number and the magician can turn around a piece of card with that very number printed on it. The difference? Around £65 :wink:

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Postby seige » Mar 10th, '07, 08:53

I think at £70, this effect is really for working performers—you do have a point there copyright.

Bottom line though:
Cards(playing cards) + mentalism = criticism from 'proper' mentalists;)

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Postby Geal » Mar 10th, '07, 10:28

seige wrote:I think at £70, this effect is really for working performers—you do have a point there copyright.

Bottom line though:
Cards(playing cards) + mentalism = criticism from 'proper' mentalists;)


That is quite expensive for a single card trick, especially for someone who just does magic as a hobby or something (as in, not getting paid). It's fairly obvious this trick was intended for professional magicians moreso than casual ones. I honesstly can't imagine someone getting up in the middle of a performance in front of an audience and asking to examine a prop. However, I can see it happening in a small group of friends or family. I've been caught in this hole quite a few times, since I mainly just perform tricks to my friends. I usually try to either use props that are fully examinable, or keep an extra version of the prop in the same spot. For example, when one of my friends wanted to check out my deck after doing a basic svengali routine, I pattered for a bit as i put the deck into my coat pocket, then pulled out a normal identicle deck to be examined. Whenever someoen wants to look at a shim-shell, I switch it with a normal coin when they're not looking. I have absolutely no idea how this trick is performed, but if it does have something to do with the envelope, I'd imagine I'd try to get a normal one that's similar, then switch it out.

Of course, this is only speaking if I had no other choice in the matter between showing them it's not a prop. I feel that if a magician refuses to allow his specs to examine an item (if they actually ask for it, and it's an appropriate setting), then it makes him look suspicious, and tends to take away from the illusion.

But anyways, back on topic to the trick (Wait a minute, this topic started as a review for a trick? Hard to believe, heh. :lol: ). That was a great review for a great trick. I'm really glad you made this review, as I'd never even heard of the trick before, and now I'm dying to get it--if only i had the money... :cry:

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Postby gunnarkr » Mar 10th, '07, 16:46

Let's get a few things straight here!

I am not a professional performer, like copyright might have hinted. The one I showed to yesterday is not a stranger either like copyright might have suggested. He's a dentist that has his clinic on the same floor and corridor as I have my office. I have also showed this to my 3 sons, seperately, to my parents, to a few friends, but never to a stranger. It's so powerful that nobody has even thought of asking to see the envelope or my wallet or my jacket or anything.

I had not heard of this trick befor my trip to Blackpool, but a man I didn't know before the convention, a bloke I met at Ruskin on Thursday night, he told me about this Bang On and how strong effect it gives. After Blackpool I concider this nice chap to be one of my magic friends from Blackpool convention and when Marc Oberon showed the actual routine to me, I couldn't resist. CUPS overwhelmed me and I said: Must buy, must pay, must get Bang On...

Like I said first, in my review, that I thought I had to pinch a few points off because of the high price, but then again, when you reiceive the package and examine the contents, the quality of the leather wallet and the DVD, I added a few points back.

So let me say:
If you have 70 £ to spend on a strong-single-trick, buy Bang On!

If you want a hit-hard-strong-single-trick, save up for Bang On!

But if you have neither, then don't think about it... But please stop this whining and moaning about your stupid friends that want to examine all your acts with a magnifying glass!


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Postby Michael Jay » Mar 10th, '07, 17:44

Geez...The guy simply asked if he could do this without the envelope and everyone is calling him (in essence) an idiot. And I thought this was the happy site where everyone was nice to each other...

There are many theories in magic, some magicians follow some, other magicians follow others.

For example, some magicians like to be able to hand their stuff out for examination. Other magicians feel that having the specs examine stuff only causes a halting performance. Which is right? The only "right" answer is the answer that works for that particular magician.

Another theory is that having a spec sign a card is superfluous and causes a halting performance. Almost every magician performing an ACR has the spec sign the card for obvious reasons. But, not every magician agrees with that. Some of them actually do a no signature ACR. In fact, I know a very talented magician who will blow his effects past 99.99% of all magicians out there who is against having a card signed for any reason at all. He jokes, "Do you want to know if someone's a magician? Ask if you can borrow his Sharpie - only magicians carry them."

So, while you are disparaging these guys who don't follow your own, personal theories in magic, maybe one of you would actually like to answer the original question that led to all this negativity:

Do you need to use the envelope or can the card simply be in the wallet?

I'd like to know that myself.

Mike.

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Postby seige » Mar 10th, '07, 19:22

Mike

The envelope is part of the effect. However, it is examinable at the end of the effect.

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Postby Michael Jay » Mar 10th, '07, 19:24

Good deal! :P Thank you, sir.

Mike.

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Postby Robmonster » Mar 10th, '07, 21:11

It was a question I also wanted answered, but I can understand the defensive ness around it. I've frequently seen lots of questions posted regarding effects that that the 'Thats impossible!' quality. A lot of the time it's people fishing for a method who have no intention of buying the effect.

At present I'm not sure if I can justify the expense for a single effect, but it is nice to know that an envelope is going to be required, albeit one that ends examinable.

RM

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Postby copyright » Mar 10th, '07, 23:03

There are a lot of different but similar issues going on in this thread, as seige and I have discovered.

The positive

People can ask to look at props because they are genuinely intrigued by them. Some people want to experience magic as a kind of fantasy, others what to treat what they've seen as a puzzle. The 'bewitched' items are just as fascinating to both groups.

Friends and colleagues, who want to experience magic and fantasy, have a hard time suspending disbelief as they cannot imagine the performer as having magic abilities. Often they will ask to examine the props because they want to find nothing there. When they do, it is easier to believe that they have experienced something magical (rather than technical).

Everybody knows that asking to examine a magician's props could potentially spoil the effect. A stranger or acquaitence will not ask to look at any of the props involved if you perform an effect for them. It is the social equivilent of not laughing at a joke. Children are unaware of this and will often ask to see props or openly guess at the method, as parent you have to be the one to explain that they shouldn't ask those questions.

The negative

Anyone who wants to spoil magic knows that they can demand to see the props. If the magician says no, the audience by-and-large will be pi**ed off with the heckler and disappointed that the magic has been ruined. And, make no mistake about it, it has been.

Conclusion

Unless you are performing for a group of people who feel too socially inhibited to ask to look at props, don't perform magic that can't be examined afterwords.

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Postby MarcLavelle » Mar 10th, '07, 23:22

bla... looks good - me save up - me buy - me tired...

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Postby copyright » Mar 11th, '07, 00:31

So far I've only been interested in the idea of examinable props. I've just had a look at the product itself - :roll:

I didn't realise the chosen card wasn't examinable.

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Postby Roth » Mar 11th, '07, 03:35

copyright wrote:So far I've only been interested in the idea of examinable props. I've just had a look at the product itself - :roll:

I didn't realise the chosen card wasn't examinable.

I have not seen the effect or props but in all the time I've done KK (the original) I've never had someone ask to look at the card.

I understand you want props that can be handed out and that is your perogitive of course.

Rick

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Postby Robmonster » Mar 11th, '07, 08:41

copyright wrote:I didn't realise the chosen card wasn't examinable.



Oooh, neither did I. Does it mention that on the site, or did you just notice it for yourself?

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