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hey everyone, i was wondering, I’m ding (not literally of course) to get a copy of Derren Brown's book pure effect.

I've been on eBay but theirs all around £100 and i don't have that sort of money like so many of use don't. Does anyone know where i can get a copy for a cheaper price?

I'm a big fan of his (was going to say huge but judging by his official forum thing I’m no where near as umm..."passionate" as some, cough cough)and I’m slightly stumped.

To be honest I'm more specifically trying to figure out how he "mind-reads" and apparently that book has the answer.

If anyone knows anything that could help i'de very much appreciate it, my email is PhantomAngel6121@aol.com if you wish to (I'm stating to obvious) email me, regards, Amber.

Phant6121 wrote:To be honest I'm more specifically trying to figure out how he "mind-reads" and apparently that book has the answer.

It doesn't.

Would I be right in saying you're more of an observer of magic/mind-reading as opposed to a performer?

(I'll stop here for now before people wrongly start calling me an elitist and throw themselves overboard because they can't stand it.)

i read it, digested it and then sold it for £130.

it is a good book nut i felt i could re invest the proceeds into some more magic.

Cardza, yes you would be correct in saying that. I am interested in the whole psychological precess that derren browns work involves, and understand how much of it is done. but I'm stuck with this one, i think i know what is involved e.g. say for instance, NLP or coldreading or use of bodylanguage, however i must admit I'm a layman when it comes to this, a keen but very ingnorant observer. and i'de just like to know more. there's nothing wrong with a bit of education. Although i don't think I'm going to get it. It's worth a try though. sorry for the long paragraph.
haha midge25, i don't blame you. may i ask how much you perchased it for?

Okay Phant6121, I'm going to be careful how I word this because last time it resulted in a big hoo-ha. Your request seems a little bit different however.

Firstly, you have to remember that Derren mixes techniques. Yes, there is some psychology in there, but there's a lot of elements of magic too; some of the principles he makes use of you won't find too easily, largely because they are more advanced and techniques a lot of people use to make a living and so aren't too keen to disclose to the merely curious. (That's not an elitist statement before anyone rages over it.)

Pure Effect details some psychological ploys, but also a lot of magical effects; suffice to say if you were to pay £100 for it you would be disappointed.

Derren's application of psychological techniques is more covert and not quite as you might expect it to be, and because of the mixture of techniques you're not really going to find anyone source detailing how it works. It's a composite of many techniques.

If, however, you are interested in psychology I can direct you to some good books which you might find interesting... likewise with magic.

Cardza you're wording is perfect. There is not need to try and tred on tip-toes with me. i am very much aware of how communication is limited when it comes to writing on computers and how easily words can be tken out on context and twisted. I assure you that i won't take offence from you, so please don't take any from me, i feel exactly the same.

May i ask how my request is different?

Yes i am very much aware the derren uses all sorts of techniques, which is why i listed a few. and yes i do not at all expect to be able to learn them easily (if at all, since i do not have the time and do not wish to go into the trade for a living). He is someone who has been doing it for many years now, perfecting his techniques i am sure, and i applaud him for that dedication. I was pointing out that psychology was the reason why i first became interested in him, i was fasinated with the way he, please excuse the term, manipulated people and how easily they can be figured out. if you get me.

Another point of interest, i nope you don't mind me pointing out and again please dont take offence, you say he uses magic. But the way i see it, there is no such thing as magic, not in the way people define the term. They are all tricks, illusion, misdirections, trap doors and hidden coins etc. am i wrong? I wouldn't call derren brown a magician, although he does sometimes perform this sort of thing, as you said, there is alot more to what he does. Sorry, I'm being picky, i understand what your saying.

Yes you are very right in saying that people who are in the profession aren't too keen to desclose the tricks of there trade (excuse the expression) to people who are merely curious. As i said i don't think I'm going to get ay answers, but the only thing i can do is try. an no that is not an elitist statement. You have every right to say it and and correct in saying it.

(As you can probably tell, I'm working my way down.) Finaly, thank you for telling me about the book. and no, i never had any intention in paying £100 for a book. no matter what it contains, unless of course it's got a large collection of £50 notes enclosed in the pages.

Phant6121 wrote:hey everyone, i was wondering, I’m ding (not literally of course) to get a copy of Derren Brown's book pure effect.

I've been on eBay but theirs all around £100 and i don't have that sort of money like so many of use don't. Does anyone know where i can get a copy for a cheaper price?

I'm a big fan of his (was going to say huge but judging by his official forum thing I’m no where near as umm..."passionate" as some, cough cough)and I’m slightly stumped.

To be honest I'm more specifically trying to figure out how he "mind-reads" and apparently that book has the answer.

If anyone knows anything that could help i'de very much appreciate it, my email is PhantomAngel6121@aol.com if you wish to (I'm stating to obvious) email me, regards, Amber.

Great review, after reading this I'm going to go and just spend £100 on the book. You've completely convinced me!!! Thanks!

hmm.. ok you've got me worried. i can't quite work out whether or not you're being sarcastic. in any case may i point out that it wasn't a review, rather an inquiry. there's a typing error, ding was actually meant to say dying, not going, if thats what you thought. I confused myself.

great book but worth only the published price imho

lol, if you say so. inspiring signature by the way.

i thought i was having an interesting conversation with Cardza, what happened? i must have taken to long to reply. Come Back!

and looking back on the forum i've just got what Brookish was trying to say. yes your right, this is a review board. i missed that, sorry. If you would prefer, i could review a book i haven't read.

"An amazing peice of literature!" ***** a student from england
convinced?

Phant6121 wrote:To be honest I'm more specifically trying to figure out how he "mind-reads" and apparently that book has the answer.

It doesn't. The kind of books that do tell you how, I don't think you'd understand. How is this a review, by the way?

EDIT: And, as you realise the book is over £100 now but want a "cheaper" way of getting inside it, it looks like you're after someone either telling you what you assume is in the book or, perhaps want a photocopy? Either way, I'm thinking sin bin.

Phant6121 wrote:May i ask how my request is different?

I saw your request more as an interest in the psychology behind it... I may have been wrong, but that's how I interpreted it. As you say, communication online is limited!

Another point of interest, i nope you don't mind me pointing out and again please dont take offence, you say he uses magic. But the way i see it, there is no such thing as magic, not in the way people define the term. They are all tricks, illusion, misdirections, trap doors and hidden coins etc. am i wrong? I wouldn't call derren brown a magician, although he does sometimes perform this sort of thing, as you said, there is alot more to what he does. Sorry, I'm being picky, i understand what your saying.

Ah, now some would contend that point But in this sense you're right; there's aspects of a bit of everything in the techniques and ideas that run throughout his work.

Yes you are very right in saying that people who are in the profession aren't too keen to desclose the tricks of there trade (excuse the expression) to people who are merely curious. As i said i don't think I'm going to get ay answers, but the only thing i can do is try. an no that is not an elitist statement. You have every right to say it and and correct in saying it.

That's perfectly fair enough. It was in another thread where I was a little tired and didn't word things diplomatically enough and then I was suddenly being quoted as saying things I'd never said, someone called me an elitist and left the forum over it... hence my concern over wording it right!

(As you can probably tell, I'm working my way down.) Finaly, thank you for telling me about the book. and no, i never had any intention in paying £100 for a book. no matter what it contains, unless of course it's got a large collection of £50 notes enclosed in the pages.

You're very welcome!

ah ok. never mind Cardza. You're always going to get people like that, maybe she/he misread what you said.

May i ask what the sin bin is, and why my post should go in it?

Tomo - I find what you have typed in this particular post - holier than thou - and very offensive.

"YOUR NAME IS NOT DOWN. YOU'RE NOT COMING IN!"

Yes I am a noob - I always will be. So what! The fact that I am a bad performer does not stop me fom practising nor do I think it should prevent me from being allowed to have more than a passing interest in the craft.

It is the layman's interest in the craft that keeps every working professional and magic store in business.

The fact that this site has a no blatant advertising policy and that is exactly what you have in your signature I find highly hypocritical. Maybe you have special terms with the site - maybe elite members have divine rights I do not know but I must have missed that part when I read the house rules.

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... and does anybody know where I can get a cheaper pdf of his book
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Hemphandle wrote:Tomo - I find what you have typed in this particular post - holier than thou - and very offensive.

"YOUR NAME IS NOT DOWN. YOU'RE NOT COMING IN!"

Yes I am a noob - I always will be. So what! The fact that I am a bad performer does not stop me fom practising nor do I think it should prevent me from being allowed to have more than a passing interest in the craft.

It is the layman's interest in the craft that keeps every working professional and magic store in business.

Well, I don't know where you got the impression I was talking about you for you to cop an attitude from. Actually, I do. It's called the Forer effect.

Hemphandle wrote:The fact that this site has a no blatant advertising policy and that is exactly what you have in your signature I find highly hypocritical. Maybe you have special terms with the site - maybe elite members have divine rights I do not know but I must have missed that part when I read the house rules.

And this is called assumption, very cynical assumptiopn. Yes, I do have very special terms with the site. I advertise here, so they unblock my URL. It costs money to do so. Lawrence Jones, the site owner, can give you a rate if you email him.

Suffice it to say, none of Brown's books contain special secrets of mind reading. One's got a few rather good but advanced tricks in it, one's a treatise on performance, and the other's a mass market book. His DVD contains a very nice (but again advanced) card tricks. They're not something the layman will get any value out of.

Please be told.