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derren brown ~ russian roulette

Postby silver shadow » Oct 3rd, '03, 20:25



Has anyone seen any details about what he is actually going to do.

i am assuming that he will get a member of the public to select a bullet and load the gun, spin the barrel then shoot the gun in the russian roulette style.

ok, here's my question.

how is he going to prove that the bullets are real, maybe fire of the first bullet, but that only proves that bullet is real, although that will prove that the gun is real, maybe the gun will be gimmicked, anyway, the point to this topic is that i am convinced that the only way he will prove that the gun and bullets that are being used at the exact time of the russian roulette trick, will be to actually blow his head off, well not actually blow his head off but make it look that way, as many magicians have done before with various different tricks.

what do you think? :?:

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Postby nickj » Oct 4th, '03, 17:32

As far as I understand it the selected person will load the gun, and Derren himself will pull the trigger. The trick being that he will predict which chamber the guy will load the bullet into. I suppose it could be proven that the bullet was real by shooting it after Derren has Survived the roulette.

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Postby mistress of magic » Oct 4th, '03, 20:26

member of the public to select

I saw the online form you could fill in to load the gun, but who's to say this person isn't going to be a friend of his who has told Derren Brown which chamber will be used.
just a thought.

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Postby silver shadow » Oct 4th, '03, 21:38

i can not belive that he would put his life at risk this way, there must be a gimmick to the gun or like is said above maybe he has selected a known person or has used a the power of suggestion on the select five, if the later is the case he must be mad, as people do change there minds all the time..... :?

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Postby magicdiscoman » Oct 4th, '03, 23:10

8) 8) 8) 8)
regardless of the methods employed it should be educational, and the folow up programe hears how i did it equaly as interesting.

better than watching a man in a tupper ware box pee into a funnel (don't you pay extra for that in germany??).

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Postby silver shadow » Oct 4th, '03, 23:18

guess we will all be glued to the tele 9pm sunday just to see what happens, is there a follow up programme magicdiscoman?

i think that is this sort of thing, and i have to admit blaine as well, is what is bringing magic back to our tele's, has any one else noticed the amount of magic programmes springing up?

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Postby magicdiscoman » Oct 4th, '03, 23:27

8) 8) 8)

don't know if there will be a follow up there usauly is.

every year around the october november months there is a rash of programes ona rotational basis, last year being seance / ghost night, this year seems to be magic / psychic season, next year proberbly ufo / unexplained season.

as you may have seen its apparent that every celeb is or knows an amature / professional magician, oddly enough the had all had some experiance with ghosts and the paranormal last year.

not that theres a pattern developing here no sir.

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Postby silver shadow » Oct 5th, '03, 22:08

ok, I'm still shaking, the guy is amazing. the thought proccesses were incredible, i have to take back any negativity i have had to derren, that was truly incredible.

i can not believe he did it though, when he got one wrong i thought he may have quit, but power to him he stuck with it and went for it. Thinking about it now could the wrong guess have been acting to increase the suspence, we will never know!!!!

anyway a great show, just hope the kids got the message and don't try and repeat the trick at home.

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Postby Mandrake » Oct 6th, '03, 10:19

Well, it was a reasonably good night for magic, and I include Derren's successful avoidance of an early demise as there were so many other routines and fascinating processes in the stages leading up to the final shot.

I'm afraid I couldn't take to the Magick programme afterwards - far too dark, chopped about, and sometimes just plain infantile for my taste (although the 'revelation of the selected 'girl' was good). It even made the Adam and Joe thing afterwards look better than I recalled from the previous showings. Do we really need such strange and twisted angles on magic? Perhaps the idea was not to do magic but to do some form of performance art where magic just sort of became involved? Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that all magic should be performed in top hat, tails & white gloves but I think there's only so far you can go off the main path before you lose the plot entirely. Showing waccy baccy joints being rolled and raised magically is pushing things a bit and the change from syringes to darts was technically OK but in very questionable taste. What's the message here - drugs are OK or something? Not as far as I'm concerned they're not and I won't be surprised to hear that Channel 4 get complaints over that aspect - it just wasn't necessary and shows the type of thinking behind some of these programmes.

Having said all that, it was a change from watching a guy change his incontinence pad in a Tupperware box!

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Postby seige » Oct 6th, '03, 10:53

Mandrake, as usual - you mirror my thoughts almost entirely.

I took a 'night out' from socialising and locked myself away with the TV for the night.

The Derren Brown hour lived up to all expectations... and even though we know how he did it, it still made fascinating television. The build up to me was far more entertaining than the stunt - which I found a little over-theatrical - especially if any of you have read Derren's excellent books - it was almost too predictable that there'd be a 'hair-raising' moment to the effect.

The following show, Magick, was just utter trash. A feeble attempt at contemporary shock-tactics... if you take out the MTV style cut shots and the awful 'dark' aspect, you were left with a jumbled bunch of effects that almost anyone on this forum could have pulled of with twice the finesse in half the time.

The bad taste element was apparent from the opening scene with the small African child. I couldn't quite understand the logic behind most of the stuff, and when the drugs appeared, I'm afraid that was the clincher, and I simply started channel-hopping.

The biggest let down with stuff like this is that it actually takes some of the magic away - and in some ways removes any sincerity or honesty from the magic. I mean, to make a small child appear in the middle of a busy street is a joyous thing to behold - but to then abandon the child and make childish comments about feeding habits took the magic from the effect.

Channel Four will undoubtedly get their wrists slapped over this one. And for all those of you about to comment that 'well, Derren Brown pushed the boundaries of bad-taste by attempting to dodge a bullet' I say, Pish!

Derren Brown performed a MENTALISM feat which involved nothing more than pure control. The bad taste element is merely a danger factor to reinforce how important and accurate his prediction was.

I did happen to catch some of the following programme, which I've seen before (and has the David 'mundane' Blaine levitation in the top 3) and never quite got on with, but hey, it kept me stimulated long enough to feel that the night had been worthwhile.

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Postby Mandrake » Oct 6th, '03, 11:01

Any programme which makes a 'hee hee isn't it childishly funny' kind of joke about putting razor blades into supermarket shepherd's pies is really sick. As it was done off camera, it wasn't even magic. The 'child production' was good, the reference to starving African children was in very bad taste. The virtuoso performance of (not quite) severing the arm was silly as I'm sure we all saw the Amazing Jonathon doing the same thing and making it funny.

All pointless, in doubtful taste and, yes, I AM going to complain to Channel 4 - cr*p disguised as TV.

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Postby seige » Oct 6th, '03, 11:11

Fortunately, I missed the razor blades 'gag', but caught the over-gory knife through arm effect.

I don't mean to sound perdantic - and the fact of the matter is that we've been calling out for a magic presence on TV - but sadly, the programme Magick was short of the mark in lots of respects.

Complain away, Mandrake... I may do the same...

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Postby vats » Oct 6th, '03, 12:10

Well, for what it's worth I really enjoyed last nights performance (Derren's that is, I switched off Magick... it just didn't work for me).
I'll being pm'ing seige to check about knowing how he did it!, but I must say there was a lot to learn from Derren's presentation.
It was great to walk into work this morning to hear people discussing the event, and that they couldn't believe he carried on after firing the 5th chamber.... great reaction!
I think I could watch Derren all day long... it really just works for me.
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Postby Mandrake » Oct 6th, '03, 12:11

I strongly suspect he was wearing bicycle clips - just in case!

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