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Postby cris » Oct 6th, '03, 01:15



hello all, as you can guess, im a newbie, have always loved magic but uptill now have never really had the motivation to actually try and get seriously into it..so..can any of you send me the right way as far as good online shops?..books to buy for the deserning newbie :D?..and a basica 'how to get into it the easy way'?..please?

all help muchly appreciated :D
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Postby bananafish » Oct 6th, '03, 08:17

Good advice Tom (although goodness only knows what you were doing up at 4am!!).

The only thing I will add is that there are two other books that I would thouroughly recommend, although not at the loss of RRTCM and Bobos.

a) "Mark Wilsons Complete Course in Magic" by Mark Wilson
b) "The Art of Magic and Sleight of Hand" by Nicholas Einhorn

These books will both help you get a feel for the genre of magic that you want to specialise in. Neither go into the detail of RRTCM or Bobo, but then they have great pictures (especially the Einhorn) and cover a lot more subjects as well as the Card and Coins. For example there are some great sections on rope magic (one of my personal favourite areas).

Good luck Cris and welcome to the boards.

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Postby magicdiscoman » Oct 6th, '03, 09:43

8) 8) 8)
mark willsons was my bible when i first started out.

in addition to the excelent advice:-
buy yourself a wizard / stripper deck and a svengarly / short n long deck, marvins magic do good ones fairly cheeply.

thease will provide you with instant skills as you practice your slights or in my case not, also a haunted key see relevent posts as to why i consider this one a bussines tool.

pm regular posters for advice that cant be discused in open forum, we are all happy to help.

lastly please let us know your general location (sitting at the computer dosn't help), and what magic you like and where you want it to take you.

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Postby seige » Oct 6th, '03, 10:39

My own advice for newbies would be to try and ascertain what kind of magic you enjoy WATCHING...

My own personal favourites are card and coin - mainly because I admire the skill and dexterity required to perform baffling and impossible illusions right beneath the spectator's nose.

To me, stage and large scale illusion is a little too easy - once it's set up, the magician does very little of the work - and the skill is more in the hands of the prop designers and stage engineers.

So, initially, the idea would be to work out what sort of magic you imagine doing and if you'd enjoy it.

Secondly, I would like to say that most of us here are *not* doing this for a living... it's something we do to while away the hours and keep our grey matter from subsiding. Yes, I believe that a few of us do 'gigs' at local clubs and the like, but it ain't putting bread and butter on the table!

The other thing to think about cost... I'm not alone here when I say that I've invested £££'s over the years in buying 'mutton dressed as lamb'... i.e. effects and tricks which are dressed up in so much as the manufacturer's description sounds great - but what you end up with is £15 worth of nothing - or the so called (dreaded) 'back of the bottom drawer' magic.

As already suggested, one of the best sources of magic to whet your appetite is reading/video material. The only props needed are sometimes found around the house - i.e. rubber bands, pencils, cups, keys, coins, paperclips - in fact, there are many quite good DVDs at www.emagictricks.co.uk which serve the purpose of introducing you to effects slowly and inexpensively.

Most magic is based on principles and 'moves'. There are a few 'key' principles which you'll learn which will make you versatile - and it's these principles and moves that form the base of most effects. These are the magician's secret tools, and although they're quite closely guarded - they are equally quite easily available.

Examples of principles would be Concealments, Steals, Vanishes, Productions, Switches, Ditches... these are common terms in the world of us magi, and they're the building blocks of magic. Learning the basics first is EXCELLENT advice, before you go out and spend your bucks on bigger effects and ready made tricks.

There's a whole host of magic that you could be doing NOW with what you've got in your room.

And as far as card magic goes, I agree that some of the easiest, most visual and baffling magic can be done with a Svengali Deck, a Stripper (or Wizard) deck or just regular cards. You'll be performing miracles almost instantly - and the buzz you'll get when you first unleash your magic 'powers' on friends and family is the buzz that will carry you forward. Nothing quite like the thrill of seeing someone's jaw dropping...

Stick with Bicycle Poker cards, as suggested. The prices when compared to the far lesser brand Marvin's Magic stuff is negligible - and the quality of the Bicycle brand cards is renowned and proven - almost every magician using cards will be using Bikes.

So, the bottom line?
Who's your favourite magicians?
What's your favourite type of trick?
Have you ever been to a 'live' magic show? What did you think?
Do you perform magic now, if so, what do you do?

Answer a few questions, and we'll give you some more pointers, I'm sure... but the world of magic is a VERY diverse and varied place!

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Postby magicdiscoman » Oct 6th, '03, 11:15

8) 8) 8)
not being a card magician and not haveing access to the web when i started i have to conced to seige that bikes are best.

that said i am running a proto bussiness at the moment and have and will continue to cheat, use ready mede self working tricks.

not because I'm lasy well a bit but because by the very nature of working with kids you cant aford to make even the slightest mistake uintentionaly.

siege, mog, yankee tom, (if i left someone out sorry), are the best people to give you advice on being a real magician and I'm thier to give advice on the bussines side and workarounds.

i hope i didn't offend anyone, i was mearly pointing out that my advice is of a practical nature and that the real magicians on this site are as previosely stated.

both types of advice are equaly valid if you intend to persue magic as a comercial venture as well as a fun diversion :oops: :oops: .

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Postby Mandrake » Oct 6th, '03, 12:29

Thanks Tom but you can put your hat back on for me! I love self working, gaffed cards/props & stuff because a) I can concentrate on presentation and b) I'm cr*p at sleights & moves!

I was intrigued by this posting as I think it does us all good to get back to basics from time to time. We can all wobble on about the latest miracle which gets our juices flowing but, at the heart of it all, magic can be very simple. Will go blow the dust off Bobo's!

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Postby magicdiscoman » Oct 6th, '03, 14:59

8) 8) 8)
am i the only one with comercial experience then???

I'm sorry i asumed you all to have the same amount of experience as me, hope i didnt offend anyone :oops:

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Postby seige » Oct 6th, '03, 15:07

I've experience as far as having done some 'paid' gigs - but sadly they've dwindled now - and I prefer to concentrate on the creative side (i.e. writing and creating effects)

In my experiences, I found that a majority of the time, people will mistake me as a 'real' magician because I can 'talk the talk' and 'walk the walk'. I'm a competent performer, but I'm far from being what I would consider a 'real' magician (although thanks for the flattery! Keep it coming!)

I've done my fair share of performing magic to complete strangers, either for money or for pleasure - but I've never considered it as a career option.

On the other hand, Magicdiscoman, you are a magic performer, which in my books, constitutes a real magician.

As my previous 'catchline' signature used to say "My opinions are expressed as a novice, as I grovel at the feet of the Masters"

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Postby Mandrake » Oct 6th, '03, 15:50

Send out search parties - all armed with lemons and mounted on Aarvarks!

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Postby bananafish » Oct 6th, '03, 15:52

Mandrake - not sure you should be mounting aardvarks mate.

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Postby Mandrake » Oct 6th, '03, 15:57

Spoilsport! (oooh - a one word posting, not good - not good at all. Stand by for well deserved flaming by moderators!)

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