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My first routine

Postby Anders » Aug 28th, '08, 21:29



Im i beginner in cardmagic and I need some help with my routine. Could you please suggest an impromptu trick where it is logical and give me time enough time to arrange a stack of 8 cards.

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Postby queen of clubs » Aug 28th, '08, 21:31

I'm leaning toward "no".

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Postby RedTyke » Aug 28th, '08, 21:35

I would suggest culling the cards under the pretence of looking for, say, the jokers to remove rather looking for a trick that ends with a block in place for the next trick.

Not the easiest technique for a beginner though.

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Postby taffy » Aug 28th, '08, 22:06

queen of clubs wrote:I'm leaning toward "no".


Why?

I mean, why respond like this if you are not going to offer any decent advice? Is this not going back to the etiquette thread?

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Postby Anders » Aug 28th, '08, 22:15

RedTyke wrote:I would suggest culling the cards under the pretence of looking for, say, the jokers to remove rather looking for a trick that ends with a block in place for the next trick.


Thanks, that is what I mean. In Royal Road there is a trick called "Now You see it" where you look for the selected card and pretend that you have lost it.
That gives you plenty of time to make a stack. The problem is, that that was the first trick I learned. None of my friends would be impressed if I showed them that trick again :)

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Postby Palfince » Aug 28th, '08, 22:27

I would use the excuse of having to find the jokers and then use them in a sandwich effect. A nice sandwich effect that I use is Jay Sankey's "Joking Around" but it's not really suited to beginners (well at least I don't think so), there are lots of good sandwich effects out there though so I'm sure there will be some to suit your capabilities.

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Postby queen of clubs » Aug 29th, '08, 00:09

taffy wrote:
queen of clubs wrote:I'm leaning toward "no".


Why?

I mean, why respond like this if you are not going to offer any decent advice? Is this not going back to the etiquette thread?


Because he's fishing! Just read his post again!

He's asking us to supply an impromptu method to separate a stack of 8 cards during performance, which is extremely advanced, yet, in his own words "Im i beginner in cardmagic".

As for the "etiquette" thread - get a thicker skin. What are you, Frank Spencer?

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Postby Mikehosker » Aug 29th, '08, 00:17

Could we not come to an agreement here and suggest he goes and reads the rest of RRTCM?

Alternatively if you're looking to progress the next natural card purchases book wise are:

Card College series or Card College Light.
Techno Card Magic (this is sort of advertised as an add on to RRTCM).
Expert Card Technique
Expert at The Card Table

DVDs to consider:
If you are looking to learn to cull for this 8 card stack...
The Cullfather
Roadrunner Cull

If you are just mental for the card tricks and you're willing to consider anything to add to your repertoire...
Easy to Master Card Miracles series by Michael Ammar
Doc Easons Bar Magic Vol 1 (this is just a 30 minute act with a single deck of cards.

Hope this helps.

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Postby Anders » Aug 29th, '08, 11:45

I’m not fishing. I can understand that some people may think that, because of my vague question. But the reason for this is because I’m not sure how much I can talk in this forum. And once again I´m a beginner.
In my routine I have a couple of tricks that requires some stacked cards. What I need is a trick that I can use as bridge between these tricks. A trick that gives me a good excuse to arrange the cards. For an example a trick where you look through the cards and pretends that you can not find it etc.

Thanks Mikehosker, for recommending the DVD “The Cullfather”. I watched the trailer. That’s probably the thing I need. I will order it straight away!

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Postby taffy » Aug 29th, '08, 11:55

queen of clubs wrote:
taffy wrote:
queen of clubs wrote:I'm leaning toward "no".


Why?

I mean, why respond like this if you are not going to offer any decent advice? Is this not going back to the etiquette thread?


Because he's fishing! Just read his post again!

He's asking us to supply an impromptu method to separate a stack of 8 cards during performance, which is extremely advanced, yet, in his own words "Im i beginner in cardmagic".

As for the "etiquette" thread - get a thicker skin. What are you, Frank Spencer?


Look Queenie, I'm not going to argue with you on an open forum, but if that's how you feel then why not post nothing in the first place, and let it be, instead of having a pop at yet another new member?

If you want to carry this on then gladly PM me and we'll discuss it privately like adults or otherwise lets leave it now,and not let this get any bigger than it needs be!

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Postby Mark Waddington » Aug 29th, '08, 11:55

Anders wrote:What I need is a trick that I can use as bridge between these tricks. A trick that gives me a good excuse to arrange the cards. For an example a trick where you look through the cards and pretends that you can not find it etc.


Just do that then, simple enough.

I think a common misconception with magic acts is that it has to be full on magic and every single minute needs to have a trick to it. It doesnt. My 45 minute stage show could probably be done in about 25 minutes, but the rest of the time is filler - scripting, gags, etc. An audience can get bored if it is full on magic, they need something else so their minds can take a break.

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Postby bmat » Aug 29th, '08, 15:46

Magic Mark wrote:
Anders wrote:What I need is a trick that I can use as bridge between these tricks. A trick that gives me a good excuse to arrange the cards. For an example a trick where you look through the cards and pretends that you can not find it etc.


Just do that then, simple enough.

I think a common misconception with magic acts is that it has to be full on magic and every single minute needs to have a trick to it. It doesnt. My 45 minute stage show could probably be done in about 25 minutes, but the rest of the time is filler - scripting, gags, etc. An audience can get bored if it is full on magic, they need something else so their minds can take a break.

Mark


I agree with Mark here, You can simply talk to your audience while stacking the cards. Or start with them stacked and keep the stacks, granted you may need to learn a false shuffle to keep the stack throught other routines.

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Postby queen of clubs » Aug 29th, '08, 17:16

Anders wrote:In my routine I have a couple of tricks that requires some stacked cards. What I need is a trick that I can use as bridge between these tricks. A trick that gives me a good excuse to arrange the cards. For an example a trick where you look through the cards and pretends that you can not find it etc.


I wish you'd said that in the first place, since that explains exactly what feedback you're looking for and your original post doesn't.

It also struck me as suspicious that you were asking a vague and weird question as your very first ever post. I think I can be forgiven to assuming you were just trying to get someone to explain a technique to you without having to bother purchasing it.

And, taffy, I have no intention of arguing with you, but I don't subscribe to the "if you've not got anything nice to say don't say anything at all" mentality - so, in the style of a peeved Victorian gent, "Good day, Sir!" ;) :P

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Re: My first routine

Postby Strep » Aug 29th, '08, 17:30

Anders wrote:Im i beginner in cardmagic and I need some help with my routine. Could you please suggest an impromptu trick where it is logical and give me time enough time to arrange a stack of 8 cards.


why don't you stack the cards before you take them out in front of you spectators. That way you can do your 'stacked' trick first?

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Postby Anders » Aug 29th, '08, 17:31

queen of clubs wrote:
Anders wrote:In my routine I have a couple of tricks that requires some stacked cards. What I need is a trick that I can use as bridge between these tricks. A trick that gives me a good excuse to arrange the cards. For an example a trick where you look through the cards and pretends that you can not find it etc.


I wish you'd said that in the first place, since that explains exactly what feedback you're looking for and your original post doesn't.

It also struck me as suspicious that you were asking a vague and weird question as your very first ever post. I think I can be forgiven to assuming you were just trying to get someone to explain a technique to you without having to bother purchasing it.


No problem :)

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