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Hi everybody,

This is for anybody who performs or would like to perform the effect of object to sealed envelope, inside a wallet.

I have a bespoke envelope manufacturer on standby to make custom made self-seal envelopes that will fit inside a large Jerry O’Connell wallet. These will me ready to go as if you had prepared with copydex yourself.

I know that many of you already perform this effect, but in case any of you aren’t familiar with it, I’d better explain first. I will leave certain parts out to avoid exposure, but please email me if you need me to explain. These are envelopes that fit inside a Jerry O’Connell large wallet. (I’m presuming that they will fit other object to envelope wallets too), they fit inside a zip pocket and allow you to load an object into the envelope. As far as the spectator is concerned, you open your wallet, open a zip and pull out a sealed envelope with their card, ring or other object inside of it. They can examine the sealed envelope before they open it.

I used to perform this by preparing a sealed envelope in a certain way by tearing (many of you will know this method), but the problem was that I had to tear open the envelope myself to reveal the object, not the spectator, the envelopes that I used were just big enough to fit a card into. It was ok, but I wanted more and, because it was so small, it didn’t look good if I loaded a lady’s watch into it, which I sometimes do.

Martin Sanderson then suggested that. I use the envelope he uses from World of Envelopes (http://www.worldofenvelopes.com). It is 124x94mm (product code 662) and I presume it is the same envelope that many of you are now using, it is a lot bigger and fits a watch in it nicely as well as cards, but is still a fraction too big for the Jerry O’Connell wallet as it overlaps the zip by about 5mm, which means the wallet never closes exactly in half (you’ll know what I mean if you already use these). You prepare these envelopes by ironing them open and adding copydex glue in a certain way. The copydex, once dry, will remain usable for up to 6 months.

Like many of you who already perform this, I am fed up with the tedious constant preparation. I currently use about 50 a week or 3000 a year, that’s an awful lot of my valuable spare time used up every week. But I love the effect, so wont give up on it; however, I know many of you have also said that you have stopped doing this effect because of the preparation involved.

About 2 years ago, I contacted a few envelope manufacturers but none of them could help me. But I recently decided to try again. After months of phone calls with every single envelope manufacturer in the country, (some abroad too) and after sending video demonstrations, photos and having meetings all over the UK, I’ve eventually found a company who are able to make them.

Because of the way they need to be prepared, each will be made by both machine and hand and will be prepared ready for immediate use by you. That means that the envelope will be made up and sealed, but one end will remain open, with latex self seal glue on the inside of each flap. So all you have to do, is load it, no folding, sticking, licking, tearing gluing …nothing, just load and go and I can’t wait!! …it’s been too long. The self seal on the envelope will last from 9-12 months, longer if kept in dry conditions. I’ve also made them very slightly smaller than the World of Envelopes envelope that I currently use so that it fits perfectly in the Jerry O’Connell wallet. The size is 110mm x 85mm and they are white.

The problem has been making it cost effective; because they are being made by both machine and hand, the price goes up considerably. As I previously said, I currently buy mine from World of Envelopes for £0.05p +Vat each plus delivery which works out at about £65.00 a thousand.

This company is able to make them for me for £0.12 each (£120 per thousand), plus delivery as long as I order a minimum of 20,000; this is why I want to get more of you involved. However, I am going to be honest, I would like to make a little something out of this for the time and effort I’ve already expended and because I will have to fork out the initial outlay and take the risk of not selling all of them.

I did speak to a Magic Dealer with the view in mass selling them through him and other dealers around the world. The problem was that dealers would also have to add enough to make their profit, but more importantly would have to add tax. The final retail cost turned out to be very high and would have had to be sold in small packets of around 50.
This method would have been easier for me, but then I would be bound to sell at the same rate as the dealers. After phoning lots of other magicians who perform this effect regularly, few were willing to fork out the price I would have had to charge. So here I am!

If you can order by the thousand I would look at selling them for £0.16p each (£160 a thousand), plus whatever postage is involved. In an average gig, I’m guessing you will use 10-15 envelopes. That’s £1.60/£2.40 per gig, not too much of an outlay for a great effect.

I don’t want to be going back and forward to the post office everyday, so I’d prefer to sell by the 1000, but I know many of you don’t work regularly, so if you want smaller amounts I would charge a little more and pricing would be as follows:

50 = £12.50 (£0.25p per envelope) plus P&P
100 = £21.00 (£0.21p per envelope) plus P&P
250 = £50.00 (£0.20p per envelope) plus P&P
500 = £95.00 (£0.19p per envelope) plus P&P
1000 = £160.00 (£0.16p per envelope) plus P&P

It looks like there might be enough interest to go ahead with this, if so, I will go ahead and make the initial investment and go for the 20,000 minimum order. After that, if people are buying enough, I can then place a bigger order next time and be able to further reduce the price.

If you are still unsure about them and would like a sample, I would be more than happy to send you a couple of the envelopes that I currently use. You can then try them out and see if you like them, they will be ready prepared just as the new ones will be, just a little bigger. Just let me know your address and I’ll pop some in the post.

If any of you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact me.

If you would be interested in placing an order when I have them made, please drop me an email with possible numbers.

Many thanks and kind regards

Dave Bonsall

Very interested in this Dave. PM on the way!

I'm also interested when my current supply runs out.

Thank you all for the interest in the envelopes.

I now have a good idea of numbers and will place the initial order today.

I've also had a few enquires as to whether the envelopes will fit in the Jerry O’Connell small wallet. Well I’ve managed to get hold of one and checked and yes they do.

Once they come through, I'll be happy to send samples out to whoever wants them, just drop me an email or give me a ring and i'll be more than happy to pop a handful in the post.

Regards

Dave Bonsall
dave@fingertipmiracles.co.uk
07733 010912

Hi All,

Just to keep you updated of the progress with the envelopes.

I have ordered 20,000, but today the invoice came through and I’d realised, that the price quoted hadn’t included vat! (I should have realised – show’s my total incompetence!)
I’ve tried to re-negociate the price and they are thinking about it, I might have to place a bigger order to keep the price per envelope down, the chap will get back to me tomorrow.

If they won’t budge on price, I might have to add a little more to the price I'll be selling them for to cover the VAT. But it won’t be much.

I’ll also be sending out a handful of free samples to all those who have enquired about them, so you can try them out and see if the effect is for you.

If you haven’t already contacted me and you would like some samples sent out when the arrive in a month or so, please email your name and address to me at: dave@fingertipmiracles.co.uk.
Many thanks

Dave Bonsall

Dave kindly sent me some samples.

Imagine the plot: after an ambitious card routine, or a mental routine using business cards that are signed, or whatever, you reach into your pocket remove your wallet and remove a signed and sealed envelope that you hand to the spectator to open!

Fantastic.

The enevlopes are nicely made and Dave was super efficient and friendly.

Just a quick note to let all those who expressed an interest in these envelopes; I now have the first batch in stock ready to dispatch.

I've created a page where you can order from at http://www.fingertipmiracles.co.uk/envelopes. It also has the final prices and postage costs on the site.

If anyone would like a few free samples of these envelopes, please email me your address to sample@fingertipmiracles.co.uk and I’ll put some in the post asap.

Many thanks

Dave Bonsall

Dave Showed me these a while back, I might have to get some soon

Hi Tony,

If you email me your address, I'll pop a handful in the post for you to try out.

Regards

Dave

Looking forward to receiving my sample - ive got high hopes for these and to be honest ive never even considered having the evelope seal itself!

Few ideas boucing around now...

Hi Mark,

You should receive them this morning. Let me know if you want more.

Regards

Dave

Superstar, thanks very much - im sure ill be placing and order shortly!

Mark

Reviving an old thread!

I just sent Dave an order today. I've been looking to get some premade envelopes for a while now, and it seems these will just be perfect

I can't wait to try them out!

LP

I had to post my thoughts on here.

These are just perfect, theey are asy to use and very very well made, I overlooked this for along time.

I will be ordering lots and lots of these.


Top marks Dave for sorting this out.

I agree. They are fantastic.
I was grinning like a idiot after I first tried these.

I got the thicker envelopes and they are really excellent. The first time I used it the spectator took a while trying to open it. This worked really well, and at the end of the routine he mentioned how impossible it was for the card to get into an obviously well sealed envelope.

And they really cam examine it as much as they like and never ever find anything wrong with it.