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Children's Show area.

Postby Miles More Magic » Oct 22nd, '08, 02:53



This has come up again, due to this thread. http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic27444.php

This isn't the first time the request has come up here, though in July Madrake made it clear that they saw no reason to have a new section, at that time.
I would say that sometimes threads are missed, that could be of interest or use to children's magicians. I have found some by accident, sometimes quite a while after they have been posted. There was a suggestion that the words, "children's magic" should be included in the title. Does that mean that people should write "cards, close up, coins," etc in the rest of the thread titles? Those are normally fairly obvious, so there isn't need. Children's magic does require different thinking, performance, etc, so it would be useful to have all the information relevant toi this in one section.

Realising that there is a limit on the amount of sections before the forum gets confusing, I will bring up a suggestion I made a short while ago, plus some more.

Could the Basement Archives and Essays be put together? As stated before, they haven't many posts in and aren't added to often.

Same applies to the Tutorial File Sharing and Techniques sections.

Also, could Events and Regional Meetings be combined?

All the above seem to be some of the less used sections, yet seem to fit together. This would clear three sections, so the addition of a Children's section wouldn't clutter up the forum. ( Even if the answer is no on the Children's section, it still seems as if they could be combined. )

It should be remembered that, at present, it is hard trying to search for specific items for Children's magic. ( Typing Children's magic into search brought up 15755 results!) Card tricks for children brought up 8031 results. Children's show 6974 results. The problem being that not only do we get "children" back in the result, but any other words that we need to use to try to narrow the search.
At least the search could be narrowed down to a particular forum, if there was one just for children's magic/magicians. Otherwise the same questions will keep coming up, unless people look through 1000s of posts.

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Re: Children's Show area.

Postby kolm » Oct 22nd, '08, 03:52

Darrel wrote:This isn't the first time the request has come up here, though in July Madrake made it clear that they saw no reason to have a new section, at that time.

Has a lot changed in three months? :)

Also, could Events and Regional Meetings be combined?

The regional meetings have pretty much outgrown the events section now. There's now three regular regional meetings, with a few more going on from time to time as well? Being a very popular section, putting these 3-5 threads in Events would only get in the way of the other threads in Events
(anyway, this section has only just been created)

It should be remembered that, at present, it is hard trying to search for specific items for Children's magic. ( Typing Children's magic into search brought up 15755 results!) Card tricks for children brought up 8031 results. Children's show 6974 results. The problem being that not only do we get "children" back in the result, but any other words that we need to use to try to narrow the search.
At least the search could be narrowed down to a particular forum, if there was one just for children's magic/magicians. Otherwise the same questions will keep coming up, unless people look through 1000s of posts.


I get 508 for "childrens" and 45 for "childrens AND coin", with no results for "childrens AND cards". Remember that the word 'magic' is pretty much useless in a magic forum, and that booleans are needed in the phpbb search when using more than word, otherwise all results with either word will be returned (that is, all posts with the word 'card') :)

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Postby Miles More Magic » Oct 22nd, '08, 04:30

Regional meetings has been going for 7 months, with 10 threads. Not sure that would clutter up Events that much?

What has happened in the last 3 months is that yet another new member has asked where the children's entertainer section is, or even if there were any on the forum. ( Take it you followed the link?) It is not obvious on there, or even in searching, though I take your point about "magic" not being needed. On the other hand, cards have been talked about in relation to children's shows, yet your search came up with NO results. Not really a good argument against having a section, when you prove that searching through the main forum for some related subjects doesn't help at all. :lol:

people were commenting about wanting one, so I said I would put something in here, as it belongs in Forum Requests.

At present, Talk Magic has 19 headings restricted or locked in some way. Having a magic section that could be used by all those interested in that genre can't be that bad surely? :wink:

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Postby pcwells » Oct 22nd, '08, 08:01

I tried to get a children's magic section a little while back, and I wasn't the first to ask :(

As much as I'd like to see a forum for children's entertainers, I wouldn't want it to be at the expense of other forums on the board.

There's limit to the number of forums a messageboard can have, so there's no need to lose an existing one!

I'm still of the opinion that children's magic shows are the bread-and-butter of the industry, though. And I'm sure that an appropriate forum would see quite a lot of use - and draw in other magicians who, perhaps, don't like the tone and atmosphere of other boards.

Just a thought.

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Postby Jean » Oct 22nd, '08, 14:14

I am posting in support of a children's entertainers section.
Any one care to join us?

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Postby pcwells » Oct 22nd, '08, 14:20

ooh can I post here too?

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Oct 22nd, '08, 14:23

I personally don't really see the need for a childrens area. I understand the point that everyone's making for it but if there's a setup then why not have a area for stage magic or close-up or maybe mentalism too.

I also wonder if a post is in a specific area, like a childrens area, will it recieve less input from people? I don't know about other people but I tend to scan through all the posts and will give some help where I can. But if things start getting catagorised I know that I probabaly wont vist areas that didn't interest me and I wouldn't see the posts, I don't know if other people would be the same and only visit the areas that interest them?

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Postby magikmax » Oct 22nd, '08, 14:56

There's already a restricted access forum for mentalism.

I would also like to add my support for a children's forum or subforum, and would be more than happy to contribute. The children's forum over at MB is quite popular, so i see no reason why it wouldn't work here.

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Postby Razamatazz Magic » Oct 22nd, '08, 19:28

Childen's entertainer's should be catered for. There are MANY of them and they would come to the is forum if they found this catergory in the headings. The only reason there are not as many children's entertainers on this forum is this very reason ... Nothing for them. Children's entertainment is a HUGE market and not to have this on the forum would be a big shame. :cry:

Lady of mystery, we know you don't perform children's magic but many of us do. It would be no harder checking the 'CHILDREN MAGIC' section of the forum than any other post listing so feel this statement to not be valid. :shock:

Why does a Childrens magic Catergory hold such fear in other magician's. What harm can it do. What are they affraid of. :?

Or is it they are looked down on from some individuals in the fraturnity ? :roll:

If anything we feel it will attract more members, therefore more input and a more interesting forum !!! :D :D :D

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Postby Ian The Magic-Ian » Oct 22nd, '08, 19:34

You said so yourself that there has only been "X" amount of posts in the regional meetings section. Who's to say the same thing won't happen to the children's entertainers section.

Isn't the point of the Misc. section and support and tips to eliminate the need for these sorts of sections? They seem to cover it. At least I think they do...

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Postby Razamatazz Magic » Oct 22nd, '08, 19:44

Ian, did you read what Darrel said

I"t should be remembered that, at present, it is hard trying to search for specific items for Children's magic. ( Typing Children's magic into search brought up 15755 results!) Card tricks for children brought up 8031 results. Children's show 6974 results. The problem being that not only do we get "children" back in the result, but any other words that we need to use to try to narrow the search.
At least the search could be narrowed down to a particular forum, if there was one just for children's magic/magicians. Otherwise the same questions will keep coming up, unless people look through 1000s of posts."

What is the problem ???

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Postby Ian The Magic-Ian » Oct 22nd, '08, 19:57

I missed that part... :oops: My only problem is will another section slow down the loading process of the website. I'm not very computer literate but this seems like what would happen.

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Postby Totally Mental » Oct 22nd, '08, 20:04

Anything that will help keep them pesky kids away from me is welcome :lol:

In all seriousness (and that is not a word I use often) - I don't mind either way.

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Postby Ian The Magic-Ian » Oct 22nd, '08, 20:05

I think it's now up to the mods...

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Postby Miles More Magic » Oct 22nd, '08, 20:08

Ian,

I find it odd that a mentalist would question having a children's section on here, when there are so many seperate areas for mentalism. Your argument about x amount of posts applies to the new sections that are added there.

Children's magic and entertainment is huge, plus, just like mentalism, it has different needs to suit that audience.

The difference seems to be we are asking, in the correct place, which doesn't appear to have happened for the mentalism section.

Before people think I am having a dig, I'm not. Just explaining that maybe some of those that do have access to the FIVE mentalism forums, should think before they start questioning why a large, specialist section, shouldn't have just ONE section for themselves.

Hope this explains our frustration and needs a bit more.

Lommy, I understand your point about different areas and I did ask the question soon after I joined TM. It was pointed out that if close up was put in it's own group, people would start asking it to be split into coins, cards etc. At present, the bulk of the posts do seem to be either close up or general magic. Illusions don't appear to have that many posts, at any given time. There IS a very large base of children's magicians and entertainers, but wouldn't say that there are enough stage or illusionists posting to warrant a new section.

Remember, it is an open access area we are asking for, so you would be free to look and post at any time.

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