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here's a question.

http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=4170

Does that give too much away, or are we to careful on the board?

mmm so if i got that trick from they site can i ask for a refund?
Its Like im paying £30 for the secret but where is the secret in that now?

Does that give too much away, or are we do careful on the board?

That gives absolutely nothing away. You are just being paranoid.

You have got to be kidding me??????

I tell you something, the instructions don't show how it works as clearly as that Pic

I don't get it?!
How does a man hide in that little space with a change bag?!?!

lol banana what boat did you come off ?
Just joking m8

yes it tells you how its done but you try makeing a suficiantly small enough black hole for the coin, your paying for the tech not the secret.

the general public dont spend time trawling magic sites so you are unlikely to come across someone who knows how its done and if you do just out fox them with some basic slights.

Yeah MagicDiscoMan but the general public don't spend time trawling through magic boards, yet board rules are that we still don't give away the secrets!

true.

but the question is now that you know the type of gaff used would you be less likely to buy it, personaly i'd be more likely to buy it because i can see the quality of the make unlike some s&s's ive had.

and bear in mind you dont say I'm going to do a trick with this coin unique, the average spec dos'nt know what method you are going to employ.
you can do coin unique tricks with slights a s&s set, gin & o, and many more.
I'm in favour of more transparency regarding magic props, because it dos'nt effect the presentation of a trick or its overall effectiveness, havent you been stung in the past by over hyped tricks made shoddily and on the cheap.

Its like weve said before, from those pictures you cant make it as its too precise, it doesnt even tell you what else is special about it.
If a layman accidently stumbled across that, he wouldnt have a clue what it was.

As regards transparency, something I don't understand is the reluctance of some bricks'n'mortar dealers to show you how a trick works before you've shelled out for it, by then what is the point? A big part of what encourages me to buy a trick is that I know or have worked out how it is done and can see if the mechanics are something that I would be prepared to use. Personally I show everyone I dem a trick to how it works at studio 9, though I suppose that since we are physically not so easy to find (we don't have a huge sign outside saying 'magic shop') we have less to worry about random people wondering in to see how stuff works, but even then it is pretty obvious who knows what they're talking about.

Hhhmmm. I still maintain it's not a problem. I showed the picture to my lovely asistant, and asked her to describe what she saw and if she could work out how it worked. Whicjh is a giveawy in itself.

She told me it was a £2 coin and a load of quarters.

We have to remember that we all are coming at this from a different angle. We are magicians and we know how an awful lot of gimmicks work, we are in a better place to work out these things.

It sounds like you are worried about the laymen finding out how a coin unique works, well a laymen wouldnt even know about a coin unique to start looking. And lets face it if they really want to know, then they are going to find out.

This isn't like exposure programs on TV, this is about someone WANTING to find out. If they are that determined then they can. Its that simple. We all did after all.

Magic sites need to sell their wares. I would be more inclined to buy fom one that has pictures than one that doesn't. Please guys, lets not get paranoid about this.

As for what Nick says, I totally agree, I have actually refused to buy items from a magic dealer before because they wouldn't demonstrate, or tell me how a trick worked.

And if you are worried about that - what about the TT? I hate the laymen knowing about the TT. I hate them even knowing that the "little false thumbs" exist, but even the description of it gives it away. Does this mean that we should rename it ItemX?

And as for sponge balls! What a give away that is. "What! You mean they are made of sponge?"

For goodness sake!

(ooh I love it when I get carried away)