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rule of Thumb.

Postby daleshrimpton » Sep 11th, '09, 09:37



edited by mods :)

two words we dare not use on an open forum, because used in the correct combination, they automaticaly get changed to the Initials T.T.

but ive noticed here....

http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic32073.php&highlight=

that the meer mention of that opposable digit we have, produces a fine string of adverts for said indispensable prop, complete with photographs.

so please, can we change the filter, or can this loop hole be fixed, so we dont see photos?
Its a bit daft. :)
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see... even this post did it. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby support » Sep 11th, '09, 09:58

Good point - thanks for bringing it to our attention... FIXED!

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Postby dat8962 » Sep 11th, '09, 11:03

Thanks Dale for the tip :roll:

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Postby Rufio » Sep 11th, '09, 18:36

Did you know that the phrase "rule of thumb" came from Victorian times when gentlemen were legally allowed to spank their wives with a wooden cane as chastisement? The rule was that the cane was to be no thicker than one's thumb.

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Postby Ian The Magic-Ian » Sep 11th, '09, 18:48

Rufio wrote:Did you know that the phrase "rule of thumb" came from Victorian times when gentlemen were legally allowed to spank their wives with a wooden cane as chastisement? The rule was that the cane was to be no thicker than one's thumb.


You think you knew everything and than well... :lol:

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Postby Robbie » Sep 18th, '09, 15:46

Rufio wrote:Did you know that the phrase "rule of thumb" came from Victorian times when gentlemen were legally allowed to spank their wives with a wooden cane as chastisement? The rule was that the cane was to be no thicker than one's thumb.


Urban myth. You'll also hear people claim it refers to some fictitious law about beating slaves.

The phrase "rule of thumb" comes from using the thumb as a rough-and-ready measurement. Most adult thumb joints are about an inch long and can be used as a rough rule or measuring device.

Which is why the phrase "rule of thumb" means, and has always meant, "rough measurement". It's never meant anything to do with beating.

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Postby Craig Browning » Sep 19th, '09, 14:45

I'd have to question what you're saying Robbie but not entirely... what you say makes sense but in the context by which most apply the term, I'd have to say that a legal emphasis is likewise extant, if only by association.

"Rule of Thumb" generally (in common inference) refers to a "rule of standard" or "rule of law" -- a common and accepted route of course for those that practice a given craft or discipline.

As a rule of thumb the idea of legal thrashing may very well have be set within the limits of one's thumb size for the very reason you gave i.e. the thumb as a unit of measure. But you must include the associations or assumptions I've outlined because as part of the social conscience for most of the past 1700+ years the church controlled laws of the land lent permission to men to physically torment slave, female and children not yet of age in just such a manner based on the suggestion made by St. Paul that they were more or less livestock... a possession of men. Which is also why female children were used as currency even into the early part of the 20th century and few ever questioned the practiced because, as a rule of thumb, it was considered acceptable and more importantly, sanctioned by God & Rome. :twisted:

(Gotta love those convenient Patriarchal rules of governing...)



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Postby kolm » Sep 19th, '09, 23:05

Are you sure, because Wikipedia disagrees with you, saying that the law in question specifically excluded beatings

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Postby Craig Browning » Sep 20th, '09, 15:43

kolm wrote:Are you sure, because Wikipedia disagrees with you, saying that the law in question specifically excluded beatings


You will note that I say "...may very well have be set within the limits of one's thumb size :twisted:

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Postby Replicant » Sep 20th, '09, 15:48

I wouldn't take Wikipedia as gospel because it is a "project based mostly on anonymous contributions". Always worth getting a second opinion.

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Postby IAIN » Sep 20th, '09, 16:10

i think you'll find it came from roman types and the old colloseum..the raising or down turning of the thumb...live or die...

rule of thumb...

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Postby aporia » Sep 20th, '09, 23:39

According to the oed

1. A method or procedure derived entirely from practice or experience, without any basis in scientific knowledge; a roughly practical method. Also, a particular stated rule that is based on practice or experience.
2. attrib. a. Of methods, etc.: Based merely upon practice or experience. Also in predicative use.
b. Of persons: Working only by methods derived from practice.
Hence rule-of-{sm}thumbite, a person who works by rule of thumb (nonce-wd.).

Earliest quotation "1692 SIR W. HOPE Fencing-Master 157 What he doth, he doth by rule of Thumb, and not by Art"

Still no idea where it comes from though.

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Postby Craig Browning » Sep 21st, '09, 13:22

IAIN wrote:i think you'll find it came from roman types and the old colloseum..the raising or down turning of the thumb...live or die...

rule of thumb...

let's play Call My Bluff!


I've heard of this reference before... based on the long list of inferences here I'd say this could be a great topic for one of those little books you see at the check-out stands in the stores. People love Trivia around really stupid things :twisted:

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Postby Ant » Sep 22nd, '09, 11:15

IAIN wrote:i think you'll find it came from roman types and the old colloseum..the raising or down turning of the thumb...live or die...

rule of thumb...

let's play Call My Bluff!


Interestingly this is a bit of a myth too.

The thumb was not turned down to order an execution but sideways, as for thumbs up this was not used at all (apparently, I was not there myself so cannot say for certain).

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Postby Mr_Grue » Sep 22nd, '09, 11:28

I'd always assumed it was the use of the thumb as a rough measurement of an inch in tailoring.

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