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double lock box

Postby magicadey » Jun 21st, '10, 12:43



hi everyone

had anyone used one of these double locked boxes http://www.emagictricks.co.uk/product_i ... ts_id=3390

thinking of using it in a koran medallion effect? is this suitable and if not know any not too expensive alternatives?

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Postby daleshrimpton » Jun 21st, '10, 13:03

keep it simple.

This prop is good, but when your talking about something like the medal, Its not really suitable, because it could turn a powerfull piece of mentalism, into a trick.

Korans original version used a simple ring type box, that could not possibly be gaffed. and the depth of the box, facilitated the important buseness.

This is a clasic example of an effect being far more clever than you think. :)

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Postby magicadey » Jun 21st, '10, 13:54

well im doing a rutine based on fate and luck so i thought i could do something with poker chips first then do the koran thing using poker chip on numbers from audience.

then later in routine right at end get someone to open box to show the poker chip..

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Postby daleshrimpton » Jun 21st, '10, 14:00

hmmm. try it. if it works, great...

but The thing with using medalions, medals, badges ect, is that you sell the effect with the inscribe/engraved ruse.
poker chips, may have a design on them. but its not inscribed.
and so your wording, must reflect this. It's more important than the box.

to the audience, the prediction has to be seen as something permenent.
like an engraving, or an etching.

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Postby magicadey » Jun 21st, '10, 14:06

if i get one person up who opens box then i could do the talk about inscibed etc. didnt derren brown do it froma box in the current show?

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Postby magicadey » Jun 21st, '10, 14:06

or maybe can use a "lucky" coin or something. will have a look for something good.

any ideas?

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Postby daleshrimpton » Jun 21st, '10, 14:14

a lucky piece would be better. The metal marker chips might also work.

if your talking about a poker championship, you could still use a medal. the winners medal. Or a key ring with a car key, the prize being a car..

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Postby magicadey » Jun 21st, '10, 14:22

this looks ideal - [url]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lucky-Silver-Poker-Chip-Gift-Case-Mens-Gift-/220597122606?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Toys_Games_Games&hash=item335c9cf62e
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might get peopel to select numbers at start and mention about lucky numbers etc
then do some more tricks about fate -
then tie it together with mentioning lucky charms etc to help influence luck -
one i keep safe in box.. then show the coin...

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Postby Jean » Jun 22nd, '10, 02:00

I use a 30.p ringbox and a 2.p coin. So I can always give everything away. Proving no trickery was involved and giving them a nice gift at the same time.

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Postby pcwells » Jun 22nd, '10, 07:30

Again, the double locked box is a nice prop, but it's a case of overproving in a medallion effect. Koran's Medallion already has enough layers of subtefuge to disguise the method.

The double locked box is best suited to a 'spectator's whatnot to impossible location' effect.

Be aware, too, that the box can't be left on open display prior to being loaded, as the gimmick is quite bovious until the dirty work is done.

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Postby magicadey » Jun 22nd, '10, 10:00

so you think it best to do the traditional way of loading the coin straight into the ring box then showing it. i just thought about having the coin appear in a box later would mean a bigger climax..

now need to think of a good ending to show.. hmmmm

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Postby daleshrimpton » Jun 22nd, '10, 10:22

oh yes.. the whole point of this effect, and the power within it, is that something impossible is permenently engraved onto a metal disk, that has been in the spectators hands.

Its not a production effect.

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Postby magicadey » Jun 22nd, '10, 10:28

yeah i know but my routine is based around luck and fate so was thining that is fate that i had this bos here all along and open it and tada there is coin with number on it..
was planing on them picking numbers at start of show then having numbers on display throughout, then show coin at end from a locked box...proove that it was fate they picked the numbers


maybe too much then..

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Postby daleshrimpton » Jun 22nd, '10, 10:40

Ah, well then, this might work.

But what you’re talking about , isn’t the Koran Medallion. It's just a prediction/ reveal. The Psychology of the effect is totally different on the audience.

It this case, you could have the prediction sealed within a balloon, or in the middle of a ball of wool, or in the centre of an orange....

because in this , the climax of the effect is where the prediction is, rather than what the prediction is.

Does that make sense?

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Postby magicadey » Jun 22nd, '10, 10:49

right.
but was thinking of using the koran method of getting the numbers on a lucky coin or something then show that later.
maybe say i have a very special coin that i keep safe as it is my lucky coin. then i thought about mentionig the engraving son it etc then mention the number inscribed on it.

i suppose i could do the original version but wondered if a bit of time between the revealing the coin and specs choosing numbers would make it stronger?

its tricky when thinking of a show on fate/luck not to all prediction effects..

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