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storm01 wrote:Damn n blast...............missed it! Wonder if they gonna repeat it?

Just go to the ITV player on line.

storm01 wrote:Damn n blast...............missed it! Wonder if they gonna repeat it?

ITV has their version of the iPlayer. It was on there 2 minutes after broadcast...

I think they over stepped the mark on Richard Bellar's trick - I think they should have stopped at, the mind-washing was BS.

Overall the show was great. Well done John Archer. I like that he's got his own style, he's funny, but his magic is very powerful too - I think Vegas will like him.

Good to see some of the top working magicians in the UK - much better than the Magicians, from BBC - I give this show, a big, 9/10. Hopeful for another show, or a longer series.

Ok, now my negative - Michael Vincent, really? all this talk of 'sleight of hand' turns something from magic into skill, the cards change, they change back, they change again, repeat, etc, yawn, what.
Remember in magic, it's not how, that is important, but why!?
Why is his routine structured like that? Is it so that he can show us how great he is, how much practice he's done? The only connection he made with the audience came right at the end, after he had "rung in the cooler" - prior to that, he might as well have been juggling.
Magic is about performance, connecting with an audience, it's magic, it's not primarily a skill display.
Feel free to disagree, but his style came across to me as very arrogant, look at me, I've been doing this forty years, aren't I great?

Jing wrote:Ok, now my negative - Michael Vincent, really? all this talk of 'sleight of hand' turns something from magic into skill, the cards change, they change back, they change again, repeat, etc, yawn, what.
Remember in magic, it's not how, that is important, but why!?
Why is his routine structured like that? Is it so that he can show us how great he is, how much practice he's done? The only connection he made with the audience came right at the end, after he had "rung in the cooler" - prior to that, he might as well have been juggling.
Magic is about performance, connecting with an audience, it's magic, it's not primarily a skill display.
Feel free to disagree, but his style came across to me as very arrogant, look at me, I've been doing this forty years, aren't I great?

I'm lucky enough to have spent time with Michael as a magical mentor and I can assure you that he is a true gent and certainly not arrogant at all. His card magic is truely "classic" and elegant, but I've also seen him blow away a group of drunken builders in a noisy pub. He's genuinely one of the most talented and nicest guys in magic.

TheStoner wrote:

Jing wrote:Ok, now my negative - Michael Vincent, really? all this talk of 'sleight of hand' turns something from magic into skill, the cards change, they change back, they change again, repeat, etc, yawn, what.
Remember in magic, it's not how, that is important, but why!?
Why is his routine structured like that? Is it so that he can show us how great he is, how much practice he's done? The only connection he made with the audience came right at the end, after he had "rung in the cooler" - prior to that, he might as well have been juggling.
Magic is about performance, connecting with an audience, it's magic, it's not primarily a skill display.
Feel free to disagree, but his style came across to me as very arrogant, look at me, I've been doing this forty years, aren't I great?

I'm lucky enough to have spent time with Michael as a magical mentor and I can assure you that he is a true gent and certainly not arrogant at all. His card magic is truely "classic" and elegant, but I've also seen him blow away a group of drunken builders in a noisy pub. He's genuinely one of the most talented and nicest guys in magic.

Agreed. Magic is about the impossible and when he performs, nobody has a clue. They stop looking and just enjoy what is incredibly beautiful to watch.

Lenoir wrote:

TheStoner wrote:

Jing wrote:Ok, now my negative - Michael Vincent, really? all this talk of 'sleight of hand' turns something from magic into skill, the cards change, they change back, they change again, repeat, etc, yawn, what.
Remember in magic, it's not how, that is important, but why!?
Why is his routine structured like that? Is it so that he can show us how great he is, how much practice he's done? The only connection he made with the audience came right at the end, after he had "rung in the cooler" - prior to that, he might as well have been juggling.
Magic is about performance, connecting with an audience, it's magic, it's not primarily a skill display.
Feel free to disagree, but his style came across to me as very arrogant, look at me, I've been doing this forty years, aren't I great?

I'm lucky enough to have spent time with Michael as a magical mentor and I can assure you that he is a true gent and certainly not arrogant at all. His card magic is truely "classic" and elegant, but I've also seen him blow away a group of drunken builders in a noisy pub. He's genuinely one of the most talented and nicest guys in magic.

Agreed. Magic is about the impossible and when he performs, nobody has a clue. They stop looking and just enjoy what is incredibly beautiful to watch.

Couldn't agree more with Lenoir on this. And to add a further personal opinion, magic is only really about the "why" if you're an overly theoretical magician. Yes it's a small part of thinking about covering un-natural movements, but I seriously doubt any lay folk were watching his routine last night thinking nothing other than "why?". Surely, in magic, the most important element is the entertainment value to the spectators?

grant_m23 wrote:

Lenoir wrote:

TheStoner wrote:

Jing wrote:Ok, now my negative - Michael Vincent, really? all this talk of 'sleight of hand' turns something from magic into skill, the cards change, they change back, they change again, repeat, etc, yawn, what.
Remember in magic, it's not how, that is important, but why!?
Why is his routine structured like that? Is it so that he can show us how great he is, how much practice he's done? The only connection he made with the audience came right at the end, after he had "rung in the cooler" - prior to that, he might as well have been juggling.
Magic is about performance, connecting with an audience, it's magic, it's not primarily a skill display.
Feel free to disagree, but his style came across to me as very arrogant, look at me, I've been doing this forty years, aren't I great?

I'm lucky enough to have spent time with Michael as a magical mentor and I can assure you that he is a true gent and certainly not arrogant at all. His card magic is truely "classic" and elegant, but I've also seen him blow away a group of drunken builders in a noisy pub. He's genuinely one of the most talented and nicest guys in magic.

Agreed. Magic is about the impossible and when he performs, nobody has a clue. They stop looking and just enjoy what is incredibly beautiful to watch.

Couldn't agree more with Lenoir on this. And to add a further personal opinion, magic is only really about the "why" if you're an overly theoretical magician. Yes it's a small part of thinking about covering un-natural movements, but I seriously doubt any lay folk were watching his routine last night thinking nothing other than "why?". Surely, in magic, the most important element is the entertainment value to the spectators?

I watched it with my wife this morning, she never even thought "Why?" her only comment about the routine was "Wow, thats great I could watch that type of magic for hours"

Jing wrote:I think they over stepped the mark on Richard Bellar's trick - I think they should have stopped at, the mind-washing was BS.

I'd like to watch the show again, because I'm certain Teller was shown yawning AND looking pretty ticked off during Richard Bellars's performance... I think he wasn't impressed at being presented a trick deck, and the full exposure was Teller's wrath being vented! If not the case, it is at least how the editing was interpreted by me...

Magic is about performance, connecting with an audience, it's magic, it's not primarily a skill display.
Feel free to disagree, but his style came across to me as very arrogant, look at me, I've been doing this forty years, aren't I great?

You're not alone, I said in another thread this is pretty much how Michael's performance came across in our house.

That's really strange. I thought Michael's performance was very enjoyable.

I actually thought it was Ben Earl's performance that came across with ego and lack of showmanship. While I appreciated the skill, I was despairing at the lack of effort in creating rapport or context.

Erwin wrote:

Jing wrote:I think they over stepped the mark on Richard Bellar's trick - I think they should have stopped at, the mind-washing was BS.

I'd like to watch the show again, because I'm certain Teller was shown yawning AND looking pretty ticked off during Richard Bellars's performance... I think he wasn't impressed at being presented a trick deck, and the full exposure was Teller's wrath being vented! If not the case, it is at least how the editing was interpreted by me...

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, all of the performances were really really good so big congrats to those who fooled P&T (and to those who didn't - they put on a brilliant show), but trying to fool Teller with a trick deck just wasn't going to work. And if Teller genuinely was annoyed (and genuinely gave a huge hint to the method because he was annoyed), who can blame him?

A_n_t wrote:I think the only exposure any person on the street will remember is the words "gimmicked deck"

we have to remember that 99% of toyshops sell special magic cards. The public are aware of their existance. Heck, the phrase "TV MAGIC CARDS" has crept into public usage , thanks to a huge marketing campaign in the states . I have to say that I watched Rich's performance back this morning, and spotted a flaw in the routine. It was something that may of triggered off the gaffed deck atack.


If you can, watch it again, and see if you spot what didnt make sense.Its right at the start

Teller's the silent one everybody.

Grimshaw wrote:Teller's the silent one everybody.

...you don't say?

Erwin wrote:

Grimshaw wrote:Teller's the silent one everybody.

...you don't say?

Well, Teller doesn't ....

Erwin wrote:

Grimshaw wrote:Teller's the silent one everybody.

...you don't say?

I just found it hard to imagine venting wrath or giving hints about methods when you're a mute. Besides smashing the studio up or gesticulating wildly. Didn't see any of that.