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by **magicdiscoman** » Dec 28th, '12, 21:53

regarding a copper silver flipper I'd be tempted and I was to go for split happens set or a clone set and add the required gaff to convert them to two, yes two for the price of one copper silvers you can lay on the table space apart from each other.
now i can do 95% of the tricks with this coin that I did with the flipper ] combo and 99% of the copper silver routines + I can do coins across, change them one at a time to chinese coins and then do coins across with the chinese coins and make them all vanish all with the one set.

and having blatently stole my friends t.u.c you could consider a copper silver version of that to do what you need but a split or cloned regaffed set would be cheeper and I belive their still only in a regular half /penny version, although it would be possible to regaff a t.u.c if you required the chinese alternative, food for thought anyway.

ps again I'm under pain of death to mention that a tuc is unique and not like any other coin gaff on the market.... its not a clone or makes the diference... or anything like them.... it is in fact (bundled off into a van an beaton for a few hours).

that said back in the days when I was an alchoholic working the pubs i was using a popular coin gimmick with a oblong gaff that didnt need me to bang on about it which i was using a passable clone coin set aswell as its intended use, who new I was.... (ow must have been stung by a bee.... its all getting very dark........................)

by **Craig Browning** » Dec 29th, '12, 16:32

jim ferguson wrote:Its not. I think you may have read the post wrong (they are similar). This thread is about the difference between a standard exp**ded sh**l, and those ones you can apparently flash from the other side (I've never used one of these). The OP also mentions a copper/silver fli**er.

The thread you're looking for is about the difference between one sided and two sided "cigarette through coin" gaffs - which is in miscellaneous.

Jim

Thanks for the clarification

I wasn't aware of a Copper-Silver gaff. . . makes no sense to me in that gives no convincer to the main effect.

by **jim ferguson** » Dec 29th, '12, 19:33

It depends what the effect is. Were talking about a copper/silver fli**er, not a copper/silver cig through coin.

I have one of these flip**rs, although I haven't used it for some time. I used it for a routine where I plucked a coin from the air which changed a few times from copper to chinese to silver. I ended with the silver, then plucked the copper and chinese, one at a time from the air, displaying all three. At the end the coins would vanish one at a time. I can't remember the exact details but that is the gist of it.

I also used it for a visual coin through glass table, based on a handling on the DVD that comes with the "Butter Coin".

Back to the cig through coin gaff - there is a way for the spectator to handle the two sided version - usually a pound or two pound coin in the UK - for a few minutes during the effect described in either Pure Effect, or Absolute Magic (I'd have to check).

Jim

by **Mr Grumpy** » Dec 16th, '14, 14:39

Craig Browning wrote:I know for fact I've responded to this same exact question recently, I thought it was here

I'm not saying that's I've done Cig thru Quarter for a long time, BUT. . . my first one cost me less than $10.00 U.S. cash

The two styles you speak of have, for years, reflected the Johnson (the one with the ugly backside) and the Sterling (the full back flap). Before this you would also have the stock real coin with a hole drilled through the center ala Slydini.

I've used all three and then some over the years and the only real difference is in being able to instantly flip the coin over once the cigarette is removed, and show the opposite side, it's a very subtle and unnecessary convincer in the majority of cases. Too, that particular design tends to have far more mechanical down time than the other EXCEPT in those cases where certain idiots decide to see just how far the trap opens before it snaps. . . don't laugh, it happens.

There is one other method that is highly sought after and to my knowledge fewer than a dozen were ever made; they were handcrafted by a Jeweler in California as special gifts to a handful of magic legends. To my knowledge, it is the only version that could be held by a spectator that is not familiar with the method and yet, a visible penetration was possible. I know that at least two of the people that had a copy of this coin are now deceased so I'm uncertain who their copies ended up. The jeweler in question was known for making the best gaffed coins ever released. . . not just in the general workmanship but the ability to make gaffed coins "ring" properly rather than clunk or sound flat. You'd pay through the nose for his stuff, but it was priceless!

Anyone know where I can get a 'coin with a hole in it' the right size for CIG THROUGH QUARTER? Maybe I could drill one but if they're for sale I expect they won't cost more than a tenner, which to me makes more sense as I don't even own a drill!

by **Mandrake** » Dec 16th, '14, 14:58

Check any of the magic supply firms advertising on TM but be aware that items such as cig thru £2 coin will be about £35 and thru £1 coin about £28. EBay shows some costing about a tenner which, even if not the best quality, might be sufficient to see if the effect fits in with what you want to do. You can always invest in the more expensive ones later.

by **bmat** » Dec 16th, '14, 15:01

15 years ago in Canada the cig through coin was $9.99 Canadian. Now it is 29.99 for the same trick, same make, same model. I'm thinking the cost of drilling a whole in a coin has gone up? Now I have to be careful not to loose the one I have.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Dec 16th, '14, 15:10

Thanks!

Anyone (unbiased!) experienced this Alakazam one? http://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-Cigar ... -Coin.html

I'm concerned about elastic band breakage. I gave up trying to repair a flipper coin. (I don't generally use gaffs of any kind these days, apart from very basic gaffs: colour changing knife, coin shell, double sided coin. But for some reason I quite fancy a cigarette through coin...)

by **jim ferguson** » Dec 17th, '14, 17:51

If the Alakazam one uses the same method as the old Cigarette Through Pound Coin (and I'm assuming it does) then it will last years without breakage. I don't know the exact "material" that's used nowadays but if Its the same or better, then you won't have to worry.

The single sided versions are much the same regarding breakage. On these versions there isn't that much tension on the band (far less than you'd think).

Both versions have their strengths and weaknesess, and it will depend on your intended routine and how exactly you want it to look, what one will be best for you. The handling and displays are different for both. The double sided version has the advantage of being able to show both sides before, after and during while the cigarette is through it (this is true of the pound coin version - I assume its the same for the two pound).

The single sided version can obviously only be viewed from one side, but has the advantage of a cleaner exit of the coin than the two sided version offers. In short - the single sided version automatically closes as the cigarette exits, with the double sided version you have to sort of do it yourself.

I've mentioned this before but I'll say it again - one of the best versions of this effect I've seen uses a simple coin with a hole in it, it was just routined well.

Jim

by **Mandrake** » Dec 17th, '14, 18:07

As the use of cigarettes is diminishing*, I guess the replacement would be card thru cig - roll the playing card into a tube. Presumably these coins will take a rolled up card OK?

*I saw a street magish using this routine and he borrowed cigs from the spectators. All was well until the chosen spec produced a recently hand rolled cig which was as limp as lettuce!

by **jim ferguson** » Dec 17th, '14, 19:12

I forgot to mention - while we're on the subject of this effect, Michael Ammar has always done this with a pencil and has recently unveiled a brand new gimmicked coin which apparently uses space age material.

The method alows a pencil to penetrate the coin slowly, with no cover - point first. What I mean is the point touches the coin and is pushed straight through, as if it were really melting through the coin.

I don't think this is released just yet but it should be soon. I don't know the method and haven't seen it personally - I mention it as an additional option for those who may want to go the pencil route.

Jim

by **Mr Grumpy** » Dec 19th, '14, 11:10

jim ferguson wrote:I forgot to mention - while we're on the subject of this effect, Michael Ammar has always done this with a pencil and has recently unveiled a brand new gimmicked coin which apparently uses space age material.

The method alows a pencil to penetrate the coin slowly, with no cover - point first. What I mean is the point touches the coin and is pushed straight through, as if it were really melting through the coin.

I don't think this is released just yet but it should be soon. I don't know the method and haven't seen it personally - I mention it as an additional option for those who may want to go the pencil route.

Jim

Sounds a bit too awesome to be true. How reliable is your source on this, Jim? Not meaning to sound rude!

by **soveda** » Dec 19th, '14, 12:50

Mr Grumpy wrote:
jim ferguson wrote:I forgot to mention - while we're on the subject of this effect, Michael Ammar has always done this with a pencil and has recently unveiled a brand new gimmicked coin which apparently uses space age material.

The method alows a pencil to penetrate the coin slowly, with no cover - point first. What I mean is the point touches the coin and is pushed straight through, as if it were really melting through the coin.

I don't think this is released just yet but it should be soon. I don't know the method and haven't seen it personally - I mention it as an additional option for those who may want to go the pencil route.

Jim

Sounds a bit too awesome to be true. How reliable is your source on this, Jim? Not meaning to sound rude!

I think it is from the Ammar at the table video lecture.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Dec 19th, '14, 13:10

soveda wrote:
Mr Grumpy wrote:
jim ferguson wrote:I forgot to mention - while we're on the subject of this effect, Michael Ammar has always done this with a pencil and has recently unveiled a brand new gimmicked coin which apparently uses space age material.

The method alows a pencil to penetrate the coin slowly, with no cover - point first. What I mean is the point touches the coin and is pushed straight through, as if it were really melting through the coin.

I don't think this is released just yet but it should be soon. I don't know the method and haven't seen it personally - I mention it as an additional option for those who may want to go the pencil route.

Jim

Sounds a bit too awesome to be true. How reliable is your source on this, Jim? Not meaning to sound rude!

I think it is from the Ammar at the table video lecture.

Have you seen it? Or has anyone else seen it? It sounds great, maybe I'll hold off on buying a coin with an ole in...

by **soveda** » Dec 19th, '14, 15:10

In the lecture it is mentioned that the method is not near release because the cost is prohibitive at the moment, at least that is what I remember of it.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Dec 19th, '14, 15:19

Thanks!

I still can't decide whether to get a coin with an 'ole in it or one of the clever ones.

Maybe I need to read Slydini's book, I guess his handling of the basic gimmick is in there?