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Can somebody tell me the difference between and expanded shell one side and an expanded shell two sides?

Also can somebody tell me are there goodo routines that can come out of one of these http://images.penguinmagic.com/images/p ... e-FULL.jpg
It's a flipper coin that has one coin on the front and another on the back.I've never seen one before.Surely you can't show both sides assume.

Anybody any info?

a two sided shell can be flashed both sides but to be honest there not worth the extra cost.

a bi-coin flipper alows you to do scotch n soda type tricks or alow a coin in a stack to vanish from one hand and apear someware else, as well as some coper silver transpo effects.

if you have the cash then a tuc (tango ultimate coin) coper /silver version will alow you to do the same things but with seperate coins, hope that helps.

ps.
aparently I need to point out that a tuc is not a flipper or a shell set, refered to as a ] here, or a split coin otherwise I'll get an e-mail from somebody holding a cup of coffee.

Thanks for that reply.That's pretty much cleared up what I wanted to know.

Do you think that a bi-coin flipper would be worth the purchase of 50 dollars or so.I have to buy euros which is a shame cause I know that theres a euro TUC which is supposedly deplorable.And if it's anything like my copper/silver euro version then it would most certainly be a back drawer job

don't know about price seem about right as I don't buy euro coins but this link might help you decide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_VmVxQWAMk

Flood wrote:Thanks for that reply.That's pretty much cleared up what I wanted to know.

Do you think that a bi-coin flipper would be worth the purchase of 50 dollars or so.I have to buy euros which is a shame cause I know that theres a euro TUC which is supposedly deplorable.And if it's anything like my copper/silver euro version then it would most certainly be a back drawer job

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Buy cheap, buy twice. I think I bought 4 or 5 expanded shells before I got my Lassen one. The money I wasted on cheap ones would have added up to more than I paid in the end for the Lassen one!

wise words indeed.

screwystewie wrote:

Flood wrote:Thanks for that reply.That's pretty much cleared up what I wanted to know.

Do you think that a bi-coin flipper would be worth the purchase of 50 dollars or so.I have to buy euros which is a shame cause I know that theres a euro TUC which is supposedly deplorable.And if it's anything like my copper/silver euro version then it would most certainly be a back drawer job

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Buy cheap, buy twice. I think I bought 4 or 5 expanded shells before I got my Lassen one. The money I wasted on cheap ones would have added up to more than I paid in the end for the Lassen one!

Making these coins properly takes time and equipment and lots of percision. There is an excellent reason why some are cheaper than others. And definitly if you are serious about coin work you are always going to get what you pay for. Going cheap is going to cost you more in the end.

I bought a flipper before and the flipped out part of the coin was WAYYY too thin.It was a 2 euro and it was far too thin to get away with.

Recently I've seen that Tango put a 'real edge' onto these coins as you can see in this link http://images.penguinmagic.com/images/p ... e-FULL.jpg

I'm wondering in your opinion is the flip out part of the coin in this picture big enough to pass.I know euro coins are thick compared to US coins.It's quite an investment for this coin so I'm trying to gather enough information on it as possible.I suffer a lot from magician's guilt (magician's depression more like) so I'm not sure if this would be good enough to bust out in front of my audience.

Basically,what is the standard thickness of a flipper coins flip part on a scal to a normal coin.1/4 ,1/2, 1/3, 2/3, 3/4 ???

By the way,thanks so much for all the responses.I know how tedious these questions are to read let alone reply to so I really appreciate the support

thease are generaly just under a 1/2 if you consider the relationship with the other coin and if your going this route then consider a split euro and the split happens dvd, I have a £2 version, or if your a seriose user then consider a tango ultimate coin.

like all thease type of gaffs they should be used sparingly and not left on display for too long, generaly they will not be noticed when in a stack or tabled for a short period.

ok since its practicaly 2013 time for an update of sorts having gone through some £2 versions of split coins ]'s and makes the diference sets I was lucky to piock up a split happens wlking liberty set and a csb set, both of whitch I'd be happy to leave on show.
I also picked up a roy cuppers ] and flipper set, both expensive but worth it for the quality, but I'm considering trading some or all of them in for a t.u.c my only buggbear about forking out £100+ notes for it is that you can't get a straight answer from anyone wether it actualy replaces all thoughs coins....... ok not the csb set as iv'e just ordered ultimate csb and the csb dosnt cover them.

now were did I put my crystall ball.

I know for fact I've responded to this same exact question recently, I thought it was here

I'm not saying that's I've done Cig thru Quarter for a long time, BUT. . . my first one cost me less than $10.00 U.S. cash

The two styles you speak of have, for years, reflected the Johnson (the one with the ugly backside) and the Sterling (the full back flap). Before this you would also have the stock real coin with a hole drilled through the center ala Slydini.

I've used all three and then some over the years and the only real difference is in being able to instantly flip the coin over once the cigarette is removed, and show the opposite side, it's a very subtle and unnecessary convincer in the majority of cases. Too, that particular design tends to have far more mechanical down time than the other EXCEPT in those cases where certain idiots decide to see just how far the trap opens before it snaps. . . don't laugh, it happens.

There is one other method that is highly sought after and to my knowledge fewer than a dozen were ever made; they were handcrafted by a Jeweler in California as special gifts to a handful of magic legends. To my knowledge, it is the only version that could be held by a spectator that is not familiar with the method and yet, a visible penetration was possible. I know that at least two of the people that had a copy of this coin are now deceased so I'm uncertain who their copies ended up. The jeweler in question was known for making the best gaffed coins ever released. . . not just in the general workmanship but the ability to make gaffed coins "ring" properly rather than clunk or sound flat. You'd pay through the nose for his stuff, but it was priceless!

Hi Craig.

The thread you are looking for is in Miscelleneous, titled "difference between one sided verses two sided coin"

Sorry but I can't provide a link from my phone.


Jim

Why the double posting?

Its not. I think you may have read the post wrong (they are similar). This thread is about the difference between a standard exp**ded sh**l, and those ones you can apparently flash from the other side (I've never used one of these). The OP also mentions a copper/silver fli**er.

The thread you're looking for is about the difference between one sided and two sided "cigarette through coin" gaffs - which is in miscellaneous.


Jim