Eliminator - Adrian Sullivan

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Postby Trickyfied » Jul 17th, '07, 12:57



Got mine this morning, great trick.

KingJeux, forget about the sound thing and buy the trick and you will not be dissapointed.

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Postby BILLBERMAN » Jul 17th, '07, 21:09

Could never understand why it is important to mention that such and such an effect fooled other magicians. Magicians are not average spectators. They are impressed with either the revealed modus operandi or trying to figure out how it was done. The real test is ...did it entertain the spectators? Bear in mind that I said "entertain" them, not fool them. Fooling them is no great accomplishment whereas we feel that fooling magicians is a big deal. When we see a movie are we fooled by the actors or are we entertained by their performance. Magic and or Mentalism should be the same. Perhaps I could fool Annemann but the effect might put him to sleep. What then did I accomplish. Please forgive my rambling..just one of those days.

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Postby Johnny Bravo » Jul 19th, '07, 12:42

Is sound a big issue for this? Can it be done in a noisy environment?


Sound plays into no part of the effect what so ever.

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Postby KingJeux. » Jul 19th, '07, 17:48

the only question I had is if you had to be there counting the dealt cards, or could you have your back turned while he is dealing the cards?

oh, and is this deck a 'one trick pony' ?

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Postby Johnny Bravo » Jul 19th, '07, 19:41

No you can have your back turned & you don't have to listen to anything.

Er it is pretty much a one deck trick, however...

There is another deck on the market that you could kinda use this with, PM me if you want to know what I mean.

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Postby SinMan » Nov 7th, '07, 01:30

This is very good trick. I open with this a lot at my shows.

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Postby seige » Nov 7th, '07, 09:18

In response to a few of the 'fishing' type posts—which I am sure are purely innocent...

1. There's no noises except for the patter and the sound of cards being dealt!

2. The basic mechanics of the effect don't rely on the use of a special deck

3. No, it's not a one trick pony

The handling I use, and have used for a couple or more years, does away totally with the original deck supplied and uses a regular deck—which can then be used for regular magic afterwards. (Ozman's post earlier in the thread hinted at this method).

The actual *method* itself isn't new... and the way I now personally perform this is really not the Sullivan method at all, but based more on a principle I've seen since in Lorayne's early works plus snippets of Annemann and Elmsley.

But I must stress, I'd not have refined it thus without purchasing Eliminator first. Eliminator is a great effect, but far too gimmicky for me personally.

As Ozman says, if anyone can prove their ownership of Eliminator to me then I'd be happy to share my version using a standard deck of cards.

Buy Eliminator... it's devious and the following are all true:

1. There's no stooges
2. There's no complex memory work
3. There's no glimpses, fishing or peeks needed
4. There is only one deck in play
5. There really is a GENUINE free choice... no forces and no clever mathematical forces... the numbers used and cards used are different every time
6. No animals were harmed in writing this post, except perhaps for a small moth which impacted the windscreen of the truck which took my coffee to the shops
7. There is NO NEED to have the deck examined... however, at the start of the effect, the deck can be shown, and using my own handling, the deck is fully examinable at the end too.
8. Nobody will be more shocked than yourself the first time you perform this... it's practically self-working and automatic
9. Practically the WHOLE EFFECT happens in the spectator's hands. Yes—you need a modicum of audience management skills to keep them on-track, but the 'work' is done with your back turned, away from the deck.

I hope that helps.

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Postby JD » May 29th, '08, 21:02

Got this bad boy today and must say I'm very impressed with how simple yet powerful it is. I can't wait to try this out.

My only concern is that its not examinable without a deck switch and I don't know how I can do this. It would be easy for me to switch a deck if I put the cards back in the box and had another deck in my pocket but I think this would look strange returning the cards straight to the box as soon as the trick had finished. :? I did think I could have another loose deck of cards in my pocket and just bring them out after I have removed the selections but I can't see how I can stop them mixing together without having some sort of dividing system.

So basically if anyone has any ideas on how I can accomplish this simply and effectively please share.

Thank you.

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Postby DrTodd » May 30th, '08, 01:08

if you wear a jacket, you can use a postcard or piece of cardboard...

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Postby JD » May 30th, '08, 11:24

Yeah I did think that, I'm more of a T-shirt and jeans kinda guy. I'll sort it! :D

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Re: Eliminator - Adrian Sullivan

Postby Rob » Oct 23rd, '11, 20:18

GodDAMN you, old thread from 2008!!!!!

What is this PayPal screen I see before me?

Wait? What? Was that a 'click' I heard :shock:


ARRRGHHHH!!!!! CUUUUUUUUUPPSSSSSSS :lol:

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Re: Eliminator - Adrian Sullivan

Postby Sexton Blake » Nov 5th, '11, 16:17

magicrob wrote:GodDAMN you, old thread from 2008!!!!!

What is this PayPal screen I see before me?

Wait? What? Was that a 'click' I heard :shock:


ARRRGHHHH!!!!! CUUUUUUUUUPPSSSSSSS :lol:


Must be something in the air. A chum of mine - into magic, but not as obsessively as the majority of this board - emailed me a couple of days ago asking what trick his wife should buy him for Christmas; a purchase around the £15-£20 mark. After some chin rubbing, this is what I suggested to him. My reasoning was thus:
1) The basic effect is a neat little trick - it'll certainly fool most everyone and it's engaging for the specs because the premises are clear* and they, the specs, are involved because they make decisions and handle the cards themselves. (*Suggestion: this can be played as the old, 'The difference between skill and magic' idea - the first part 'demonstrates mental skill', but the second part, where the specs place the cards into the deck themselves while you're looking away and, to mix things further, the deck is then shuffled, yet you still (name yourself, if you want, then) find the cards without looking 'requires magic'.)
2) It's dead simple.
3) You get something. It's nice to get something, isn't it? OK, it's the method that's the real meat, but you always feel happier somehow if you 'get something'. And, you get something that's actually something. That is, we've all had the 'Includes DVD and SPECIAL GIMMICK'-based irritation of opening the ziplock bag to discover the the SPECIAL GIMMICK is a paperclip, say, or a single d-backer. Here you get the deck. Yes, you could make the deck up yourself, but it'd cost you several quid to do it, so you're getting something of actual physical value.
3) Someone asked about the One Trickness of this Pony. Well, yeah, it's One Trick*ish*, but def. not One Trick Full Stop. For example, my friend could use it purely to have two cards chosen, noted, and replaced into the deck, which is then placed back in the case and put away. He can then (because he now knows what both of those cards are) do a mentalism-style bit of mind reading. Neither the 'memory' aspect nor the ability to pull the selections out unseen are even mentioned. This isn't like, for example, an ID which does one very specific thing (very well) and that's it.
4) Related to the above, but a different point, people have worried about the non-examinability of the deck after the effect is done. Non-examinability is a real issue for us Amateur Hobbyists - we're performing for people who are far more likely to go, and far less easy to deflect from, snatching at stuff and insisting on investigating. It's been mentioned that you can deck switch. *However*, I'd say that, after you've produced the cards from your pocket, you can easily just retrieve the deck and use it - without any pause into which the specs might insert grabbing hands - for a couple of other tricks. (And you're not going to do more that three tricks in a row, are you? No, you're not: you've listened to Ammar.) It's dirty, sure, but it's not utterly, untouchably filthy. Just for one example in a billion, you could easily openly go through the deck and remove a couple of Jacks, ask the spec to chose a card (force it), then do a sandwich effect of some sort, just as you would with a normal deck. You *can* carry on using it after you've done Elimnator with only a small amount of thought about what particular effects you're going to use it *for* and how you display it.

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Postby Mr Grumpy » Nov 8th, '11, 19:56

BILLBERMAN wrote:The real test is ...did it entertain the spectators? Bear in mind that I said "entertain" them, not fool them. Fooling them is no great accomplishment whereas we feel that fooling magicians is a big deal.


This is a very good point. The average spec will be fooled by a DL, but if you did ten in a row they wouldn't be entertained, even if they remained fooled.

OK, they would be, in a good ACR, for example, but that just proves the point, as it's not the DL that's keeping them interested, it's the plot and maybe some wacky moves like the card appearing on the forehead.

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