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by **Mark Waddington** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:40 pm

In case you didnt know, ellusionist is working on a full range of black deck gear, including gaff cards (double backs etc) tally ho viper decks, and a tiger mini deck.

Take a look here
http://www.ellusionist.com/store/index. ... -tiger.htm

by **GoldFish** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:12 pm

It all looks quite good fun really; especially the gaffed deck, I'm looking forward to that!!

by **magicdiscoman** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:38 pm

now all they need to do is make a stripper and marked version and i'll be totaly converted :lol:

by **Part-Timer** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:15 am

magicdiscoman wrote:now all they need to do is make a stripper and marked version and i'll be totaly converted

You can get materials to apply the Ted Lesley or Boris Wild systems yourself.

by **Paulajayne** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:39 pm

Hi

They look different, but pull one of these out and the public must think "Rigged Deck"

Paula

by **Part-Timer** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:37 am

I should point out that my comment about marking materials related to the black Bicycle deck, not the Black Tiger ones.

I think Paula's right (to a degree) about the latter. I think it should be reserved for special effects or manipulation, not just an "ordinary deck", as they look unusual.

However, I should point out that if you want to mark a Black Tiger Deck, it's really not that hard and you probably already own a suitable tool for the job.

by **Michael Jay** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:52 am

With the black decks and spectators thinking "gaffe," I've noted about a 50/50 split between magicians with this problem. Half of those that I've noted talking don't have any problem using them as a regular deck and the other half are terribly dissapointed by the fact that they are immediatley suspected of using a gaffed deck by their spectators.

I'm thinking it must be a presentational problem and not the deck itself...Then again, maybe I'm just crazy.

Fact is, the decks haven't caught on here in the states yet and I'm apprehensive to pay 7 dollars to get one myself.

Mike.

by **MagicIain** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:15 pm

The fact that the public may consider the black deck as 'rigged' in some way is a challenge for any magician - but as Michael says, surely just a presentational issue... Is the issue of (mis)trust not a common occurence in the spectator-magician relationship, even without these cards? Think of all the stories that go with using a chinese coin, or even sponge balls etc. Don't see it as a negative, consider it a useful opportunity to gain your audiences trust, or at the very least a chance to be creative.

Michael you said that the black decks haven't taken off in your part of the world - how about becoming the trend-setter...? These cards could set you aside from other magicians and make you stand out. Anything that differentiates one magician from another is surely a good thing for everybody...

Just thought I'd put a positive spin on things...