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Re: the term magician

Postby The4thCircle » Mar 1st, '12, 09:32



mark lewis wrote:It is the MAN not the trick that counts.


Or woman...

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Re: the term magician

Postby Lord Freddie » Mar 1st, '12, 09:55

The4thCircle wrote:
mark lewis wrote:It is the MAN not the trick that counts.


Or woman...

-Stacy


Or transgender.

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Re: the term magician

Postby Reverend Tristan » Mar 1st, '12, 10:08

Lord Freddie wrote:
The4thCircle wrote:
mark lewis wrote:It is the MAN not the trick that counts.


Or woman...

-Stacy


Or transgender.


Thought we weren't talking about my mum again Freddie? You promised!

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Re: the term magician

Postby Reverend Tristan » Mar 1st, '12, 10:13

But there is a big move by some performers I know, the are moving away from magician and even away from mentalist into something else. It is where we came from and where I believe some of us will go back to. I know I am heading there myself slowly.

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Re: the term magician

Postby V.E. Day » Mar 1st, '12, 12:15

Part-Timer wrote:
What if a magician absolutely sucks at performing? There is no charm, no speaking ability, no empathy, just tricks. Are some people really just hopeless cases? What if the very best someone can ever be in performance terms is average?



I went to a lecture last year with a magician who grew up with a speech impediment which caused him alot of embarassment when he was younger. As a result of that he favoured performing silently to music and put together a very successful dove act that he toured round Europe and UK and was was successful with the dove act for over a decade and is still performing magic now. Some of us are given obstacles and disabilities in life that we have to over come, it just means that we have to work harder to succeed. So if, as you say, someone has no charm, no speaking ability, no empathy, then I think these are not so much disabilities but just small things they can work harder at. As has been suggested they can do this by exaggerating aspects of their personality that do work, or adopting character that gives them a greater stage presence.

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Re: the term magician

Postby Lord Freddie » Mar 1st, '12, 13:15

Part-Timer wrote:Here's a controversial question (or questions) for you all. What if a magician absolutely sucks at performing? (I appreciate that some might say he isn't a magician, but let's not quibble about that.) There is no charm, no speaking ability, no empathy, just tricks. Are some people really just hopeless cases? What if the very best someone can ever be in performance terms is average? We don't think everybody can be a great singer, dancer or actor, do we?


Well, Dynamo hasn't done too badly, has he? :wink:

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Re: the term magician

Postby mark lewis » Mar 1st, '12, 14:03

If you see a magician doing all his tricks wrong and the audience love him anyway then you know you have seen a good magician. And no. I am not talking about Tommy Cooper here either. It is better if the magician does the tricks correctly but in the end it isn't the trick that matters. The performer is always more important than the trick.

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Re: the term magician

Postby mark lewis » Mar 1st, '12, 14:06

The4thCircle wrote:
mark lewis wrote:It is the MAN not the trick that counts.


Or woman...

-Stacy


I would say that only one out of twenty magicians are female. It is about time some learned psychogist figured out why.

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Re: the term magician

Postby V.E. Day » Mar 1st, '12, 14:52

mark lewis wrote:
only one out of twenty magicians are female



and another 9 out of 20 want to be.

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Re: the term magician

Postby Flood » Mar 1st, '12, 15:31

I don't think my problem is people having bad experiences with previous performers.most people I encounter have never seen a magician before.I tend to ask people to know what tricks not to do occasionally.

My problem is the over all bad name stereotype that magicians have.even though people see magicians like Keith Barry David Blaine dynamo and Derren on tv,they still associate magic with bunnies and kids

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Re: the term magician

Postby Reverend Tristan » Mar 1st, '12, 17:13

Lord Freddie wrote:
Part-Timer wrote:Here's a controversial question (or questions) for you all. What if a magician absolutely sucks at performing? (I appreciate that some might say he isn't a magician, but let's not quibble about that.) There is no charm, no speaking ability, no empathy, just tricks. Are some people really just hopeless cases? What if the very best someone can ever be in performance terms is average? We don't think everybody can be a great singer, dancer or actor, do we?


Well, Dynamo hasn't done too badly, has he? :wink:


That made me laugh mate :lol: :lol:

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Re: the term magician

Postby MagicShop » Mar 1st, '12, 21:13

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Re: the term magician

Postby Mandrake » Mar 2nd, '12, 00:49

Reverend Tristan wrote:
Mandrake wrote:Since mentalism and bizarre by definition uses very few props the presentation has to be first rate or the routine fails miserably. If you can't get 4 or 5 pendulums in specs' hands moving how and when you want them to move, you're probably not using the best presentation!


You're suposed to make them move in the spectators hands :shock: that's where I've been going wrong all these years then :lol:


Yup - using them to play conkers isn't quite the done thing y'know!

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Re: the term magician

Postby The4thCircle » Mar 2nd, '12, 08:26

V.E. Day wrote:
mark lewis wrote:
only one out of twenty magicians are female


and another 9 out of 20 want to be.


Well they should get a move on and do something about it then, this is the 21st century!

- Stacy

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Re: the term magician

Postby Acolophon » Mar 2nd, '12, 13:49

"Its the singer not the song." is one of the oldest theatrical sayings.

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