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by **Reverend Tristan** » Mar 1st, '12, 17:28

Discombobulator wrote:But the point is that Derren admits that he is cheating and deceiving. Wheres, Sally resorts to legal actions.

Didn't Uri Geller claim to have special powers ?
Now he claims to be a mystical entertainer with no supernatural powers.

If you're raking in loads of money they you will vigourously defend your claims until you are caught.
Some people may even believe the claims they make.

And I'm not picking fights here but Derren lies as much as any psychic, he spouts about hypnosis and NLP but any performer can see straight through alot of his act and know how he did what he did. But he provides people with an escape from normal life.

I feel that if people want to believe that Sally can talk to the dead and are happy to pay for her service/entertainment then I see no problems with that.

There are out and out shams in the psychic world that are not good people and should never be alowed out in public let alone performing (I was discussing one with a friend yesterday, she did not comfort her audience, she upset them.) But you can look at any service and say the same thing.

There will always be people that want to scam other people and take the easy path through life, I don't see Sally as one of these people. She is not trying to harm people just let them know that everything is ok, that is all anyone ever want's to hear in life. Some people get it through seeing a professional and others through psychics and medium.
Yes she has earned alot of money but I'm guessing she has worked hard to get to where she is. Good for her.

I have seen many mediums and everyone they helped went away happy and had a great night at same time so job done I believe.

And Freddie she is a great entertainer, to be able to hold an audience for hours with no props is amazing.

And Dale/Paul I was thinking the same thing about it being like Pure Q&A, it is the way alot of people have done it over the years.

by **Lord Freddie** » Mar 1st, '12, 17:47

I think the main reason why many magicians hate people like Sally, is not because they are paying lip service to being ethical, but the fact that they are far more successful than a bog standard "It's all a trick/nlp/whatever" can ever be.

I think the criteria for a good psychic/mental effect is that people don't suspect a method, are amazed by what you do and the effect involves the spectator personally. What Sally does acheives this as her audience aren't looking for tricks (the ones that like her anyway, not the ones going along to catch her out).

I would love to see a load of psychics turn up at a mentalist's show and blog about their methods and see whether they are as keen to accept it in return!

These arguments go round and round on magic forums and there can be as much finger pointing and shouting as you like, people who want to see a medium will continue to do so no matter what Paul Zenon, James Randi or a nondescript on a forum says. Sally is at the top of her game and incredibly rich. That's what hurts mentalists the most.

by **Reverend Tristan** » Mar 1st, '12, 18:03

Lord Freddie wrote:I think the main reason why many magicians hate people like Sally, is not because they are paying lip service to being ethical, but the fact that they are far more successful than a bog standard "It's all a trick/nlp/whatever" can ever be.

I think the criteria for a good psychic/mental effect is that people don't suspect a method, are amazed by what you do and the effect involves the spectator personally. What Sally does acheives this as her audience aren't looking for tricks (the ones that like her anyway, not the ones going along to catch her out).

I would love to see a load of psychics turn up at a mentalist's show and blog about their methods and see whether they are as keen to accept it in return!

These arguments go round and round on magic forums and there can be as much finger pointing and shouting as you like, people who want to see a medium will continue to do so no matter what Paul Zenon, James Randi or a nondescript on a forum says. Sally is at the top of her game and incredibly rich. That's what hurts mentalists the most.

I think you said what I was trying to say Freddie

people that do well are hated by a lot of people. I have friends who own their own business and have done really well. Nice car and motor bike each. They have worked hard for what they have got and are lovely people but others look and think 'Why have they got that and I haven't?' because it is easier to desroy than create for a lot of people.

by **mark lewis** » Mar 1st, '12, 18:04

I don't think it is the other mentalists that are bothered so much as all the poverty stricken mediums who work the spiritualist churches. I bet she gets more sniping from other psychics than she ever does from sceptics, magicians and mentalists!

by **TonyB** » Mar 3rd, '12, 01:25

Freddie, the reason I dislike Sally is not because she is a fake, not because she is successful, but simply because she markets herself to the grieving and the damaged. That is my only issue with her.

Uri Geller is a bigger fake, and more successful, and I have great time for him.

by **Lord Freddie** » Mar 3rd, '12, 09:31

She's sexier though...

by **Jobasha** » Mar 3rd, '12, 09:54

I don't know. His music career was pretty sexy

by **Reverend Tristan** » Mar 3rd, '12, 10:04

mark lewis wrote:I don't think it is the other mentalists that are bothered so much as all the poverty stricken mediums who work the spiritualist churches. I bet she gets more sniping from other psychics than she ever does from sceptics, magicians and mentalists!

Yeah I bet, quick whip round at the end!

Now I was thinking about trying the old Q&A a while back at church. Could I get away with it?

by **Drewmcadam** » Mar 3rd, '12, 13:07

Mandrake said: "Agreed. Toby and Tobin are similar but not identical, the first is usually a forename, the other a surname. I'd be willing to bet that more than one person with either of those names had been involved in an explosion of some sort so the 'exposure' really isn't very scientific. If anyone wants to catch a psychic/medium out then they'll need to be considerably more clever than the reporter in question. Offhand I'd suggest a skilled magician might be a better choice..... "

The point is, the individual and his companion was treated to a description of the fictional drama event by Sally, who was actually talking to the dead person who was there. Given that the reporter was conversing with her, you think she would have realised that - but no, she was insistent that she was getting the message from the dead person and passing it on to the reporter for whom the message was meant.

I would be willing to take your bet. Given that she calls out the names and the event then: can anybody take this. Silence. silence. THEN the reporter stood up, so nobody else took the message.

On top of that, the reporter's purpose was NOT to "catch her out". it was an interesting experiment - a gag - given the Daily Mail is currently being sued along with a top UK magician, and that this little wheeze might just help a fellow magician and friend out of a situation.. Oh, and maybe, just maybe, the reporter WAS a "skilled magician". (Or at least would like to think so!) Know what I'm saying?

Thank you. :-)