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Wow thats amazing, I've often wanted to try that but never thought it would work!!! might try it now! what did you learn it from?

Wow...... nice result!!

The amazing thing about NLP and watching NVC cues is how you can almost take control of your subjects mind. NVC lets you see how receptive/attentive your subject is whilst NLP allows you to stick their hand to the table.

Mentalist Magic relies quite heavily on Psychology - something that Corinda didnt know he knew - Keep going Roland, sounds like you're on your way to cracking NLP.

Does anyone know then if the "Electric Chairs" Routine is based around NLP?

Does anyone know then if the "Electric Chairs" Routine is based around NLP?

As far as I am aware. It s not.

Thaks for your kind words Jordan. I think I got lucky and I know that I have a long way to go...

I don't think I can reveal how I did it but I can say it was based on pattern interupts and Eriksonian suggestion. I tried anchoring or mirroring, I believe they are the same thing and I can't do this yet, my timing is wrong and my anchors are too obvious.

I'm sure the electric chairs isn't NLP but I'm not going to reveal etc. etc.

Sounds great Roland! Where did you learn that 'NLP' sequence from?

Andy

Does anyone know then if the "Electric Chairs" Routine is based around NLP?

definatly not, but does use AVA.
cant say anymore about that save that any chair can be used and any audience member, although a certain amount of NVC could be involved.

i use nlp alot when doing card tricks. A great technique to use is suggestion, once you understand the basics of this you can begin experimenting forceing cards useing SOM (slight of mouth). People tend to shy away from useing theres techniques in fear of embaressment, but what you need is practice routine, i started off doing a simple riffle force and then pattering about readin minds useing nlp. If you do this trick and really really study the way people react you begin to get a feel for actual nlp. Also a great practice trick is useing nlp to force a card, keep the card in ya top pocket and go through the patter, you get it right, bingo! you milk it, get it wrong, reach into ya pocket and pull out ya ID and reveal the chosen card, geat stuff, a brillent way to practice without looking like a t***! enjoy jay

AndyHurst wrote:To pull of an effect where the method is just NLP is a tall order. But study of NLP is useful. Take the basics of mirroring and matching. They are techniques that will build rappor with people quickly. Very useful if you table hop for example.

Here's some free NLP tips including info on mirroring...

http://www.devco.demon.co.uk/rapport1.html

Andy.

Hello there.


You can use NLP to help place a thought such as a card at the start of an effect. It takes practice, but it's do-able. Practice on cold callers (he says after being interrupted from writing this TWICE! )

Matching and mirroring sound too crass to work, but work they do. People will warm to you. Very useful in life...

I tried anchoring or mirroring, I believe they are the same thing

No they are not the same thing or in fact even close. Anchoring is creating an association between a particular stimuli such as a touch or word and for example a certain emotion. Mirroring has to do with rapport and reflecting back the other persons body language, tone of voice, breathing etc.

my anchors are too obvious

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In what way are your anchors to obvious?
In any case no matter how obvious your anchor it doesn't effect how it works.

If your anchoring is too obvious then try being more subtle. Derren talks about anchoring in his book Pure Effect.

Mirroring is a reflection of your subjects movements and body language.

There is a book called "Neuro Linguistic Programming for Dummies" and guess where you can find it? This will make you laugh. In the COMPUTER section of WHSmith!!! A friend just texted me yesterday to say he'd bought it!!! I'm off to Smiths on Monday to get me a copy!!

Thanks for the tips. I just need to practise a lot more. At the moment I am still bothered with the mechanics and that slightest lack of confidence shows through to the subject.

Thanks for the clarification between anchoring and mirroring.

If anyone is based in or near London who knows more about this stuff I would love to meet up and even pay for some lessons.

Roland NLP is great but I wouldn't say that you would be able to use a lot of it in magic. Most of magicians claims of using NLP is just hype and part of their patter.
I myself qualified at NLP practitioner level and do use it a bit in magic but can't say it's a major part of my act.
I'm not trying to put you off studying the subject, just sounding a word of caution if it's only for magic that you want to learn it.

Absolutely. I completely understand that. My interest in magic comes from an interest in psychology. I've had an 'itinerant' interest in different aspects of subject for many years ranging from graphology (yes there is something in it), to the classic stuff (Freud etc), to Astrology, Tarot and Palmreading (complete rubbish in my opinion but interesting to learn how to fake and to see why people believe in that stuff).

I am not really trying to be a magician, though I have loved magic all my life. I do some magic to entertain friends and also because it is both a fun and practical way of playing with some of the ideas I am interested in, which are how people react to different situations and how our thoughts can be manipulated.

I think a lot of the same principals apply to why supermarkets are laid out the way they are and why Derren Brown is so successful. Both are excellent examples of deception and manipulation.

Magic is one strand of this interest, NLP appears to be another.

In which case go for it, I'm sure you will love it.