Lawrence wrote:Short answer: no.
Probably, but I can't be arsed doing any leg work today. Too busy, and too knackered on account of not being able to sleep in this heat.
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Wishmaster wrote:Watch Richard Bandler in one of his many seminar appearances. He's brilliant. If you have a phobia, why go through all the trauma of seeing psychologists and spending time fannying around working out what happened 30yrs ago when you were 4 and had a bad experience with a spider? It's not important. All you need to do is reprogram the way your subconscious thinks about spiders. It takes 10-15 minutes and works. Got some pain? Use hypnosis. It works and is increasingly being used routinely in some surgery for pain relief. In fact, there are already a number of cases where surgery was conducted without any anaesthesia or pain relief, using just hypnosis. Amazing. Recovery rates for patients are far better too.
magicofthemind wrote:I just put "nlp research" into Google and came up with 4,540,000 hits.
This is the first one:
http://www.nlpresearch.org/
(University of Surrey)
Barry
mrgoat wrote:Have you got any citations for the bolded parts above?
Infinite wrote:http://cnettv.cnet.com/hypnosis-instead-anesthetic/9742-1_53-50031766.html
Its well documented as far as medical hypnosis is concerned. I do it a lot for fMRI's when they need cognitive functions and the person has claustrophobia.
Tomo wrote:For hypnosis and surgery, start looking for Esdale and surgery, named after the surgeon John Esdale who discovered the state of complete hypnotic insensibility and used it on patients who couldn't tollerate a full general anaesthetic during the days of the Raj.
Wishmaster wrote:mrgoat wrote:Have you got any citations for the bolded parts above?
Hi mrgoat,Wishmaster wrote:The 15 minute phobia cure using NLP is well documented and I'd imagine Google will give you the best results ("nlp phobia cure" and you'll find quite a few examples). If you do want specifics, I'll dig something out for you by all means.
I've never heard of any peer-reviewed research published in a recognised journal that shows NLP cures phobias. I've looked on google before, but if you can find something I'd totally love to read it. Not saying it isn't out there, just I've not read it.Wishmaster wrote:As for hypnosis and surgery. I will find some references and abstracts of journals for you. I work for the NHS and have access to all the medical journals. It might take me a few days though. I'll post them in a new thread for everyone to have a read of.
That would be really interesting. Although the NHS do invest money in homeopathy and other demonstrable nonsense!Wishmaster wrote:One I can remember off the top of my head was documented in a book called Human Givens (it's a therapy model). One of the authors of the book (a therapist and hypnotist iirc) had some surgery on his hand. He used only self hypnosis rather than anaesthesia and pain relief during the whole procedure. He made a full recovery and in better time than would normally be expected.
I am 100% sure there are thousands of examples where someone who believes it is going to work can have something painful happen to them and them not feel it. No doubt about that whatsoever. If it works in a clinical test or not is my concern.Wishmaster wrote: Oh, and again from memory, I believe using hypnosis in surgery actually reduces bleeding quite significantly.
Infinite wrote:http://cnettv.cnet.com/hypnosis-instead-anesthetic/9742-1_53-50031766.html
Its well documented as far as medical hypnosis is concerned.
Wishmaster wrote:I wouldn't dismiss homeopathy as nonsense so quickly.
Wishmaster wrote:Whether or not it works is for you to decide, but...one thing that does work and is very well documented is the placebo effect. If you believe it works, it probably will! Homeopathy may or may not work on its own merit, although from what I've read, that seems unlikely (flames on a postcard to...). I'm of the mind that it works because people want it to and believe it does. The placebo effect is extremely powerful. Again, a well documented and clinically proven phenomena.
Wishmaster wrote:I doubt hospitals would employ NLP practitioners over dedicated hypnotists. The majority of hypnosis practitioners in hospital are doctors. You really need the medical expertise alongside the hypnosis training for it to be of any use in this setting. Many dentists use hypnosis too, as it is very effective with pain relief and to calm nervous patients. It is being used widely across the world in the hospital setting and has been widely reported in the media. But, like I said, it isn't effective for everything and more trials are being conducted all the time to determine where and when it's most useful and appropriate. Like most things, change comes slowly in the NHS. Hypnosis is beginning to make inroads in maternity units too as it helps with childbirth. I think the research on this is still emerging though.
Wishmaster wrote:There's nothing wrong with questioning things mrgoat. It's good to do that rather than take other people's word for things! I will find some examples of medical and surgical use of hypnosis as soon as I can get to the journals.
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