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by **Anjorno** » Dec 18th, '14, 23:16

I was watching DMC Ep.7 and saw the finale. I will never trust him again, id seen some do tv shows and you can expect cheap outs but I thought DMC was better than that, but he is much worse. He did a trick, I knew how it was done, but then the moment it should happen didn't the trick was literally potrayed impossible!
I looked back and to my anger he was using two sets of footage. there was a box burning and embers and burning bits falling to the floor, then in the next shot the last shot didn't match up, there was barley a flame on the floor. I know many tv magicians use editing but DMC seemed to use it to the point he is taking us for fools adding and taking to make something that didn't happen and cant happen. if any other viewers notice this. well I feel it cheapens magic to a point non can be trusted.
If your gonna do magic do it properly camera tricks and cheap edits are so dirty and underhanded and in my book not skilled genuine magic.

by **mr invisible** » Dec 19th, '14, 20:04

Its a fair point,. But sadly that entertainment my friend. This happens a lot in magic now, just look at Dynamo ? Also makes these magicians lots of money..

Regards Garry.

by **Anjorno** » Dec 19th, '14, 20:16

mr invisible wrote:Its a fair point,. But sadly that entertainment my friend. This happens a lot in magic now, just look at Dynamo ? Also makes these magicians lots of money..
Regards Garry.

I know the likes of dynamo and a lot of those americans use underhanded techniques to do there trick but DMC presented himself as a genuine
classical skilled magician then he goes and does this. I may as well watch a movie, that kind of magic I saw last night is called SFX not
magic. he literally edited out all the sleights and misdirection and added in new footage. it should be allowed. in fact the magic circle should
incite new rules that ban tv editing or sfx that aid in the tricks secret. what the camera sees is what we should get. Any magician who as
to go so low to get a reaction and is part of the magic circle should be banned. magic is about skill, secrets and entertainment and not a cheap out using SFX
to impossify things

by **TonyB** » Dec 19th, '14, 21:42

As far as I am concerned if you use editing to achieve your effects you are not a magician.

I have no problem with editing to enhance a presentation, but if the edit is part of how it was achieved, you are a hack and not part of our brotherhood.

Having said that I did not see the show, so this is not a comment on DMC.

by **Anjorno** » Dec 19th, '14, 21:53

TonyB wrote:As far as I am concerned if you use editing to achieve your effects you are not a magician.

I have no problem with editing to enhance a presentation, but if the edit is part of how it was achieved, you are a hack and not part of our brotherhood.

Having said that I did not see the show, so this is not a comment on DMC.

he basically edited out the parts that the sneaky business is done in and made it from what would be a good trick to something that is impossible.

by **Mandrake** » Dec 19th, '14, 23:09

To be fair, I very much doubt DMC edited the show personally, that would be in the hands of the Director/Producer - or the network overlords.

by **Anjorno** » Dec 19th, '14, 23:15

he was clearly using two pieces of footage edited together and the way the trick was done and the other footage used was used in a way to embellish the impossibleness of the trick. Extra bits were added which shouldn't have been happening and understanding the trick was there as to lie to the tv audience.

by **Mandrake** » Dec 19th, '14, 23:23

Again, that would be how the editors/other execs of the programme thought it should be done rather than the performer personally. It's still not the 'right' way to do it, of course, and I can understand the frustration, we just need to take care about who we blame as a few remarks in the wrong place can cause serious problems.

Paul Daniels has spoken on this topic many times and has stressed how essential it is for the magic to take precedence over technical and broadcast issues. He suggests getting the camera operators and the Director on board and making sure they understand things such as angles, the need to stay focused on the action rather than cutting away or using 'freaky' shots. In his time at the Beeb he had a lot of clout so could ensure his needs were met in that respect.

by **Anjorno** » Dec 19th, '14, 23:47

What I mean is that the extra footage is not just another take but purposefully filmed footage to make the on screen illusion impossible to do. parts were removed and the extra footage added and DMC must have known what he was doing because some shots were things that wouldn't be seen in a genuine live version of the trick.

by **Mandrake** » Dec 20th, '14, 00:32

I haven't seen the programme so can't comment specifically but I think we probably need to agree to differ on this point and, as mentioned, beware of being too direct in any criticisms unless we know with absolute certainty.

by **Anjorno** » Dec 20th, '14, 01:28

Mandrake wrote:I haven't seen the programme so can't comment specifically but I think we probably need to agree to differ on this point and, as mentioned, beware of being too direct in any criticisms unless we know with absolute certainty.

here's the footage. I point out the discrepancies and problems and note when I say one continuous shot I mean as in one single performance to 1 audience being filmed.
Also note when in the box putting up the top panel you never see the audience again till the panel is still and in place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0VS3H2dXO0&feature=youtu.be

by **TheMentalist** » Dec 20th, '14, 19:34

Why is editing as a method wrong? especially since a lens cannot be misdirected, and people can watch a trick again and again, frame for frame...

I also want to make the distinction between SFX (In-camera, practical effects) and VFX (Computer generated effects). Editing has little to do with either.

by **Anjorno** » Dec 20th, '14, 20:00

TheMentalist wrote:Why is editing as a method wrong? especially since a lens cannot be misdirected, and people can watch a trick again and again, frame for frame...

I also want to make the distinction between SFX (In-camera, practical effects) and VFX (Computer generated effects). Editing has little to do with either.

Editing isn't wrong, its wrong when its used to do the effect and or cover up what is going on

by **TonyB** » Dec 20th, '14, 20:03

Anjorno wrote:here's the footage.

That was not the footage. That was someone's take on the footage. Do you have the actual clip from the show, unedited and as it appeared (and in good quality)?

by **Anjorno** » Dec 20th, '14, 20:52

TonyB wrote:
Anjorno wrote: here's the footage.

That was not the footage. That was someone's take on the footage. Do you have the actual clip from the show, unedited and as it appeared (and in good quality)?

no I don't,
but that was how it appeared in the show.