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Hey Im new here - so please be nice!

Concerning double lifts - which I'm sure have been talked about thousands of times - all I wanted to know was how to go about removing the two cards without suspicion. I dont know if its just me, but regardless of how well the cards are kept flush, there always seems to be something suspicious about a DL. 99% of the time I can tell if its a single or DL. Whats the most convincing method of preparing and executing the DL?

Thanks for your time (especially if this has been dealt with before - in which case I apologise!)

Mark

Welcome to TM Mark, I'm sure our expert cardies will be able to give you some tips soon!

Hey Mark! Welcome to TM!

Concerning double lifts, I tend to riffle up the back using patter. As I get up to the top of the deck, I slow down and count 2 cards with my thumb and hold a pinky break. Or you could just use a thumbcount on the offbeat. This is just picking up 1 card, then 2 cards, then drop them with a pinky break.

Executing the turnover is simple! First thing's first, you need to practice exucuting flipping over a single card. Then you have to make turning over a double seem natural and looks like 1 card! With all sleights, you have to make it look natural!

Hope this helps!

StEvEbO!

The DL was one of the topics discussed when I first joined the forum. Don't use breaks with your pinky or anything else. Get it right. Last time this was discussed I sent my first ever attempt at a video to Kati to help her with this. I've just spent an hour reducing that vid to 2meg and I hope I've managed things correctly

Originally it went with instructions but hopefully without them it gives an idea of how a DL should look to the public. If I'm giving too much away Mods please delete the vid link (if it works )

I don't know the name of the DL I use but it was taught to me by the great Derek Newman (of Newman Linking Rings fame) in the early 90's.

DL_Vid

If this link works it will be a miracle

EDIT. Hmmm it didn't OK I failed, just paste in the link between the [urls] then

Tenko - the dl you're using is called the strike DL. Your execution of the lift was good, but I don't quite get that little "jerk" move before each one. That looks sketchy to me.

Mark - as for Double Lifts... I've mentioned it a few times, and I can't stop doing so. Check out Gregory Wilson's Double Take - it will teach you 25+ doubles and some effects using them, as well. You'll learn the strike double, like Tenko showed you, the Vernon double, as well as ways to lift them from a tabled deck, spread, fan, etc. It's definitely worth checking out if you're having trouble with doubles.

Tenko wrote:The DL was one of the topics discussed when I first joined the forum. Don't use breaks with your pinky or anything else. Get it right. Last time this was discussed I sent my first ever attempt at a video to Kati to help her (well, him actually ) with this. I've just spent an hour reducing that vid to 2meg and I hope I've managed things correctly

Yes, thanks to Tenko I now use the strike DL. Ideally, there should be no difference in the way you turn over one card or two, so what you should do is look at the way you turn over one card, then find a way of turning over two cards in the same way.

If you need to get a break under two cards (which I don't recommend) I would try the snap double - it's very easy to do but still nice.

Oh, and the way you use the url tag is:

(url=THIS_IS_WHERE_THE_URL_GOES)CLICKABLE_TEXT(/url)

e.g. Tenko's video.

Kati

Demitri,

The jerk bit you mention was my attempt at teaching Kati how to bevel the cards before you do the DL, its not actually part of the real move

Kat, I've done that and it still doesn't work Help.

Well, there's a problem with your video link because there's a space in the URL...

Kati

I managed to open the video Tenko.

Thank you, it is very graphic and explanatory.

Now all I need is years of practice!

I've always used a pinky break when doing double lifts and I've had no problems with spectators catching me out whatsoever!

StEvEbO!

Thanks guys! So much advice!! I really appreciate it - I think I might like it here!

Maybe I'll take up residence. Sell wooden pegs or something.

Thanks again. Mark

Like katrielalex said..

Make it natural. I have tried several DL and eventually settled on the vernon one as I find it fits my natural style more (I did try the snap double but just couldn't get this one I'm afraid). I practiced and practiced this but was never very happy with it until I visited a magic shop recently where he showed me his and I showed him mine (If you know what I mean !).

Basically he was impressed (so was I to be honest).. so from being uncertain I'm now confident I have this cracked to a standard where it will fool people (and it now does).

As for breaks.. I use whatever comes to me at the time (Pinkie, Thumb or just a bevelled count.. whatever feels right for the actions and situation).

The trouble is (well.. what I found) is that because you know what you are doing you can find it difficult to see it from someone else's point of view who hasn't got a clue.

So keep going.. you'll get there eventually.

Slippery

magictrick.co.uk sell's a dvd called ''Double Take by Gregory Wilson''
you learn 25 DL techniques. If your intrested

craig shaw wrote:magictrick.co.uk sell's a dvd called ''Double Take by Gregory Wilson''
you learn 25 DL techniques. If your intrested

Craig: Demitri already recommended this above:

Demitri wrote:Mark - as for Double Lifts... I've mentioned it a few times, and I can't stop doing so. Check out Gregory Wilson's Double Take - it will teach you 25+ doubles and some effects using them, as well. You'll learn the strike double, like Tenko showed you, the Vernon double, as well as ways to lift them from a tabled deck, spread, fan, etc. It's definitely worth checking out if you're having trouble with doubles.

Just to be irritating .

Kati