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i got it two and i am dissapointed

I have this one and yes I was dissapointed when I saw what I recieved. If I am completely honest I am dissapointed because of the fact of why didn't I think of that. This is an outstanding effect if you change the handling a little in that if you use current English less valuable coins if you get my meaning and use the smaller do dar of the two.
I work with engineers, clever chaps they are and they cannot suss this one for chips. It's the bottle they say ! I would love to share my own handling.

10p coins dont work for this effect. 2p coins are too strong so the effect is near impossible to achieve.

People have mentioned using 1p coins works but the point of this effect is to have the coin trapped inside the bottle, a 1p coin can easily fall out which takes away impossible nature of the effect.

For people that have had some joy with this effect, what coins do you use?

chris2215 wrote:10p coins dont work for this effect. 2p coins are too strong so the effect is near impossible to achieve.

People have mentioned using 1p coins works but the point of this effect is to have the coin trapped inside the bottle, a 1p coin can easily fall out which takes away impossible nature of the effect.

For people that have had some joy with this effect, what coins do you use?

Simple solution to the 1p being too small...leave the cap on the bottle...simple.

Simple yes, but not as hard hitting as being able to leave the coin trapped in the bottle forever. By removing the lid the coin can fall out and i feel is less impressive.

Great trick but due to these problems i dont think i will ever use it.
The main reason i bought this trick was due to this statement;

"The same minds that brought you Dreamweaver have done it again. You visually push a borrowed coin through an ordinary bottle. It is so visual people swear there must be a hole in the bottle. But the bottle is completely normal, free of holes of any kind. HAND IT OUT FOR THE SPECTATOR TO KEEP."

If the coin isnt trapped, then its only half the effect advertised.
After all that setup....you are probably better off using a folding coin for coin in bottle routines.

Just my oppinion.

P.S So do all UK Abyss users just use 1p coins?

I bought this too a while ago and was also a little disapointed,

At First inspection the trick and the handlings seemed quite clever, but in practice the effect is somewhat restrictive, but not impossible.

If like me you have never had any coin in the bottle expereince's this trick is clever & it will work and provide a good effect.

I suspect experienced magician's looking for that "ULTIMATE COIN IN THE BOTTLE" experience as promised may be somewhat dispointed and left still looking for it.

The ABYSS web site states that a 10p will work, were they drunk or have I missed my medication, any comments welcome?

regards

crispy wrote:I bought this too a while ago and was also a little disapointed,

At First inspection the trick and the handlings seemed quite clever, but in practice the effect is somewhat restrictive, but not impossible.

If like me you have never had any coin in the bottle expereince's this trick is clever & it will work and provide a good effect.

I suspect experienced magician's looking for that "ULTIMATE COIN IN THE BOTTLE" experience as promised may be somewhat dispointed and left still looking for it.

The ABYSS web site states that a 10p will work, were they drunk or have I missed my medication, any comments welcome?

regards

I own one of these effects, and for American cola bottles the neck diameter is 5/8"; so your coin must be larger than 5/8", but not more than about 1" (I use a quarter in mine, and I wouldn't care to use anything larger).

If your 10p coin ranges between 5/8" and 1" or so, you should be fine.

I meant the make up of the 10p not the size , hope you get my drift
cheers

Hmm, in this topic about even amount of posts say its bad and same for good.

So what exactly are the pros and cons of this trick?

How much set up and how long did it take you?
Could I step it up in my own home?
Can you only use a 2p?
Can it actually be handed out straight after?
Do you end clean/and or start clean?

Thanks

-K

I bought this trick from Ellusionist and I too was disappointed when I opened the package. It comes with a small pamphlet describing the setup and handling, and a small gimmick. I was under the impression that it was pretty much impromptu and you could borrow any bottle and coin and just do the trick, but such is not the case. You need to use your own bottle and there is a setup, which, depending on your "skill" can take a few minutes or could take a while. It also depends on the coin you are using. In the US, we don't have the proper coins to do the effect without using the gimmick. "Setting" the gimmick is the tricky part of the setup, and it also must be "cleaned up" during the performance. The demo video on E does not show the handling for this cleanup. It just shows the penetration of the coin and stops there. The instructions do give you an alternate handling to do the trick without the gimmick but most of the visual impact is lost in this handling. I am not familiar with the "properties" of coins from other nations (it seems that most of the posters here are from the UK) but I can see, that by using certain coins, the small "troublesome" part of the gimmick could be eliminated. I suppose that I could use a gimmicked US quarter (the type you might use with Raven) but then I wouldn't want to be handing that out for someone to keep as a souvenir. In that case, I could just clearly show that the mouth of the bottle is too small for the coin to have been inserted through it, and then cut out the "quarter" with a knife to retrieve it. I have not really worked much on the handling for the clean-up when using the gimmick, but it doesn't look all that difficult. With some practice, it could become reasonably easy. There is one little "sleight" during the penetration of the coin into the bottle but anyone should be able to do it with some practice. I also like the idea of putting the top back on the bottle after you empty the contents - makes it all the more impossible looking...
This is not a self working trick. I would say it falls in the "advancing beginner" category. On a 1 to 10 scale of difficulty, with 1 being NO sleights required, and 10 being in the master magician category, I think it falls at about 2+. It DOES however need to be PERFORMED. You need to sell this trick to the spectator. I plan to pick this back up this weekend and work on the handling and see what I can do with it. I will report on the results after I fool around with it for a while. I think the trick is well worth the effort. I love visual magic and the sight of that coin going through the bottom of the bottle, and then not fitting through the neck when you turn it upside down, is just way too cool not to do it. As a matter of fact, I think this would be a great follow up to the Criss Angel "coin through can" trick.... then again, it may be repetitious. I don't know. In "coin through can", you don't actually see the coin entering the can because the can is opague... Abyss is waaay more visual....
I suppose the proper use would be to use the "coin thru can" when you want to be totally impromptu, and Abyss when you have the opportunity to use a set up bottle.
So, my initial disappointment is not really warranted. I think it was more that I was expecting something more impromptu and when it wasn't, I was disappointed. But I think the final effect will be well worth the hastle of setup - once I work out the handling. If you don't mind some setup, then I think it's definitely a "Buy".

A question.

Is this the trick that Laura did on Playing Tricks last night or was that a different version? She used a 50p in to a Perrier bottle and I assumed that the effect was in the coin so to speak

Laura did the Folding version much better in my opinion (though her presentation wasn't great).

Thats what I suspected. How do you get it out again?? Or is that going to be too much detail?

Not really, you just slam the neck of the bottle into the palm of your hand fast.

intresting...
EDIT: i had something here but it might be exposer (even if i dont know how its done)