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I am 14 years old and new at magic. I learned tricks like the "voodoo ash" and the "two card monte" but I'm looking at the "Raven or the Bat". i have purchased illusions like the IT and the folding coin. I was thinking of buying the raven and the raven video, But the guy at our local magic shop said the bat is better and cheaper. I'm a little tight for cash. Is the bat a better investment? I would like to make my own (to save some money) but i don't know how to. any help would be appreciated.

sincerly,

Dan

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Dan']

hey dan, i have a raven an it is very impressive though no experience with the bat yet i am quite content with the raven, what u want to look at is brad christians video "how toi do street magic" on www.ellusionist.com u'll be amazed

I just looked in the "Revies" section and discovered no one has done a review of "The Bat" although it is a poor second choice over the Raven.

... Tony

PS. Anyone like to do a review of the Bat?

I have the Bat and the Raven and they are both good tricks. The Raven takes a lot of setup and has a better effect. The Bat takes about a 30 seconds to a minute to set up, but the effect isn't as stunning the audience as the Raven. So it's up to you if you want to have a better effect, but take a lot of time setting it up, get the Raven. Or if you want an effect not as good as the Raven but sets up fast get the Bat. Like I said, both good tricks. Hope this helps.
Kevin

Kevin, why don't you do a proper review of "The Bat" and bung it in the "Reviews" section of this site. I would do it myself, only I have never used it (although I know how it works).

... Tony

I'm a little bit of a Bat fan, so posted the following in the "Raven vs Bat" debate in the "Product Support & Tips" section, to provide some balance, as I felt the Bat was getting a (somewhat unfair, in my humble opinion) rubbishing there.

I'll post it in the Reviews section too, if that will help any.

I don't use a Raven (though I know its workings) but I do use a Bat, and I do think the Bat is more versatile and better for a table-hopping type situation than the Raven. Of course, the Raven does a great vanish or change (something which the Bat cannot do nearly as well), but requires a re-set between tricks. If you're going from one table/spectator to another, that isn't very feasible. Also, that's all the Raven does. The Bat requires no reset and can allow you to perform a number of effects, if you really explore its possibilities.

Though I don't bother attempting a vanish with it (again I agree, best left to the Raven) I do like the PK rings effect - the specs assume you must have a magnet concealed in your hands, and are wowed when you roll up your sleeves and show them you haven't (or even get a spec to take the top ring with the lower one still clinging and spinning!).

With repositioning (or even a second Bat) you can do some great table PK effects. Some of the newer UK 1p and 2p pieces are "compatible" with the Bat (if you know what I mean) and you can amaze people by making such a coin move on a table - if you've borrowed the coin from a spec, (and make the coin move in a subtle way) the effect is even better. Some might assume you could be using some very fine IT, but you can then show you're not!

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Colin B']