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Postby pdjamez » Mar 21st, '06, 16:33



katrielalex wrote::D

OK, so it's not correct. I admit defeat.

You must all now say "octopodes" instead of "octopi".

Kati

P.S. Octopus is originally a Greek word so the Latin plural 'octopi' can't be right. It's either octopuses or octopodes.


Kati, English is a language of exceptions. In some cases English will apply the rules of the root language and in others it won't. Accepted usage comes from common parlance not the application of rules. This seems reasonable, since the role of language is allow someone to make themselves understood to others. This makes for a very rich, diverse vocabulary, if not sometimes a little confusing for non-native speakers. You should note that this fact is accepted even by the mighty OED whose role is not to define the English language, but to document it as it changes (rapidly) over time.

Use fori if you wish, but most people won't understand what you mean.

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Postby nickj » Mar 21st, '06, 20:40

With regard to Forums/fora, I was under the impression that both forms were in regular usage in English. It seems (though I have no proof or evidence in favour of this suggestion) that it is more often American English in which the plural form of word based in Latin take the more English -s rather than the latin -a. Most words of Latin orgin ending in -um seem to take the plural for -a eg medium -> media, datum -> data. There are a few, such as ultimatum, which I have never heard as ultimata, though it sounds like it should be right.

Of course English is a language of exceptions, but I was certainly taught that the plural of forum is fora and to me forums sounds horribly wrong and ruins the flow of the sentence. I don't have a copy of the OED to hand but all of the (free) online dictionaries list both forms.

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Postby pdjamez » Mar 21st, '06, 21:19

Nickj, I doubt it's as simple as a split between American English and English itself. Infact they're becoming one and the same as far as I'm concerned. There are far more 'z' around than there used to be. :wink: Although very much like your own point, this is based on my own perception as opposed to fact.

Like you, I too was fortunate enough to learn Latin at school; but forums seems more correct to me in English. Let me finish this by quoting another discussion on this very matter.

flash wrote:Apparently Google lists 119,000,000 uses of the word 'forums' against only 3,720,000 for 'fora'. Chances are that quite a lot of those are in sites dedicated to discussing which is correct, ha ha.


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Postby nickj » Mar 22nd, '06, 00:13

Can my finishing thought be a reflection on the general torture the English language is subjected to on the internet, where use of the wrong form of there/their/they're seems to be more prevalent than the correct when considering how reliable google should be when ascertaining the right form of a word...

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Postby katrielalex » Mar 22nd, '06, 00:30

Their aren't that many problems like that.

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Postby pdjamez » Mar 22nd, '06, 00:58

nickj wrote:Can my finishing thought be a reflection on the general torture the English language is subjected to on the internet, where use of the wrong form of there/their/they're seems to be more prevalent than the correct when considering how reliable google should be when ascertaining the right form of a word...


I maybe misinterpreting your post, but I can't see any form of linguistic abuse in my previous post? I certainly know that I'm capable of such abuse, but I'm a long time out of school. Please advise.

As for my quotation, I was not considering google as a validation of any particular form. In actual fact I doubt this was the point of the original poster. The second statement of the quote is far more important than the first.

As I stated previously, use fora, forums, fori, gabigabiwokky. It is entirely up to you, as long as your audience is capable of understanding your meaning.

For the record, I make no assertion of the validity of either term. Quite the opposite actually. :wink:

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Postby nickj » Mar 22nd, '06, 09:28

I wasn't refering to your post in any way, just to google!

I agree, everyone should say what they want, I'm certainly going to continue to use the correct form of fora though :D :wink:

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Postby Mandrake » Mar 22nd, '06, 11:10

How about we just call them Discussion Boards or Places?

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Postby pdjamez » Mar 22nd, '06, 11:16

nickj wrote:I wasn't refering to your post in any way, just to google!

I agree, everyone should say what they want, I'm certainly going to continue to use the correct form of fora though :D :wink:


Sorry Nickj, I did misinterpret your post. :oops:

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