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you do not need to touc die cypher

DrTodd wrote:you do not need to touc die cypher

I was thinking the same thing.Its done on sight, and sound.. not touch.

Its just a thought, but why dont you get one of those red and black plastic die box things you get in kids magic sets?

believe you me, if you perform this correctly it slays people.

fstarsinic wrote:I believe I can get them and if I'm not mistaken they cost about $350 USD.

damn, for that kind of money I'd rather get them to put the die in an empty cigarette packet and stick with my 17% accurate prediction.

DrTodd wrote:The Mikame looks nice and Bananafish seems to approve...may have to interrogate him later

It is nice.

It's just that the translation needs a bit more work! I know how the basic effect works, of course, but the additions sound like they might be nice.

daleshrimpton wrote:Its just a thought, but why dont you get one of those red and black plastic die box things you get in kids magic sets?

believe you me, if you perform this correctly it slays people.

Good suggestion. No idea what it's called though (probably because it's got no one name). Someone has a trick out that uses the die bit as part of a bigger routine. I think the die chooses a number, and then a playing card suit is selected, forming one card out of a possible 24. I don't know what that's called, either!

Figaro, if you do buy Die Cypher, I recommend you get the stainless steel one. I think the ESP die is much better for a number of reasons. You get a regular die too, of course. Also, steel looks much more like the sort of thing testing apparatus might be made from (at least in the 20th or 21st centuries), and it won't tarnish as readily as brass.

It probably isn't a good idea to get it if your usual audience usually grabs props and tries to find out how they work. A steel die and accompanying box is a bit odd, and may attract attention.

I'll offer three extra bits of advice. First, a lot of the time it really doesn't matter if you look at, or touch, a prop. Seriously.

Second, when you've learned more about magic, you'll know that sometimes you can handle props and people won't even remember. If they don't remember, it really is as good as if you never touched the prop in the first place.

Third, the more complicated something is, the more likely it is to break, or at least not work when you want it to. You can achieve miracles with expensive props, but you can also achieve them with simpler items that cost a fraction of the price.

thank you.

im kind of lost here to be honest.

i dont understand you dont even have to touch it, apparently i dont know how it works.

the one the other guy showed me, you truly had to touch and feel for clues. it was awkward as hell. lol

its true a lot of the magic goes into the performarce, so youre right that it doesnt matter a lot if you do touch it or dont.

ill think ill order it soon.

you guys have some good patter for it?

DrTodd wrote:you do not need to touch die cypher

Although that is true - I don't think that the hands off approach is the strongest presentation for what I honestly believe is one of the strongest tools in my arsenal.

There are two ways it can be done hands off, using the "shadow principle" or better still (as I was shown the other day) just placing on the table (in a certain way).

Both these methods though require you to stare a little at the offending item, so although it IS hands off it is NOT eyes off.

I prefer to take it back and place it on the table myself. in the short time it takes to do that I have without glancing once a good idea what the number is.

I say a good idea - just because I do this so quickly I would estimate that one in ten times I get it wrong. If I do get it wrong, I do know 100% on the second guess. Personally I am more thanhappy to get something like this wrong once in a while, it makes it all that more believable. It enforces that I am doing what I say I am doing.

Part-Timer mentions he prefers the ESP version. Obviously that is just a personal preference, but my preference is for the die version. (I have both). There are several reasons for this. A die is a more everyday object and as such is the natural choice for any six sided object. It terefore does not appear out of the ordinary (albeit it is made of brass).

Secondly one of my presentations include having the spectator count from one to six. I obviously couldnt have the spectator name the 6 symbols.

ESP symbols have there place, just not (in my humble opinion) for this effect.

Figaro wrote:thank you.

im kind of lost here to be honest.

I'm sure you're even more confused now!

Bananafish is quite right about handling. You do not have to touch the props, but it's easier if you do.

bananafish wrote:A die is a more everyday object and as such is the natural choice for any six sided object. It terefore does not appear out of the ordinary (albeit it is made of brass).

That's where I am going to have to disagree. A die made of brass is a little odd (it's too heavy to roll properly), even if dice are familiar. I don't think that is the big point; my real concern is related to the method, and I can't really explain it on the forum.

Secondly one of my presentations include having the spectator count from one to six. I obviously couldnt have the spectator name the 6 symbols.

No, you couldn't (at least not without a prompt card). As you intimate, that is just a question of presentation. You have others, as you say, and Die Cypher is versatile enough to use in a number of ways. You can even get the spectator to put the cube in blind, and do the piece as a remote-viewing experiment (explaining that the test equipment helps get round one of the methodological flaws in the original ESP card experiments).

Figaro, if you buy the stainless steel version, you can make up your own mind, as you get both dice.

I am sure we'd be happy to help you out with some patter, but why are you asking before you even own the prop? Buy it, practise, and try to come up with your own ideas (bananafish and I have already given you a couple of presentation suggestions). If you're hitting a brick wall, or would like some feedback on your ideas, that's the best time to ask.

i use the cheapo black plastic box one..with rubber bands around it too..

as for patter, i just say this box is a replica of the ones used in the 50s for esp testing..hence the cheapo nature...and let them examine it all as much as they like to begin with...

cassidy has some nice additions to it in an ebook of his..i can't share, as it doesnt feel right to do so...

No, there's nothing wrong with the basic Colour Vision!

I recently bought (yet) another plastic one, because it was advertised as having smbols on the faces. Sadly, it just had the usual dots of colour. For about £3, I couldn't be bothered to complain!

Apart from numerous colour versions from various magic sets, I also have a Tenyo single die version and a Paul Daniels one that had two different dice. You could say what number was on the green die, and what was on the red one. I think it's a very clever principle and Iain's absolutely right about Bob Cassidy's suggestions.

true,

i have to practice with it myself. i think i have it figured out. the shadow principle gives away a lot actually

i like the idea of letting people count from 1 until 6. i allready use that in a card effect.

but i also like the esp symbols. you could draw the symbol on a seperate card.