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Alakazam wrote:Probably a stupid newbie question, but what do you guys mean by "the original card warp"?

Ray Walton's original effect. It's essentially the same as this, but the (lengthways) folded card is placed inside a (widthways) folded card rather than being simply held between the fingers. It's been around for a long time... and sometimes (Hmmm) gets called a different name. You can find it in lots of places - for example, it's one of the tricks on Ammar's 'Easy To Master Card Miracles Vol 2'. It is a deeply beautiful trick.

Alakazam wrote:Probably a stupid newbie question, but what do you guys mean by "the original card warp"?

There are precious few stupid questions, don't worry!

It is a shame though that you've heard of WARPONE (which surely needs to be separated so as not to be pronounced "war - pone"?) before the Card Warp, but it isn't your fault. There are probably lots of people new to magic who buy this because of the hyperbole, when their £20 or whatever it is would actually buy them a book in which they could learn loads of really quality tricks, or at least one volume of ETMCM so you could learn 10 or so!

Farlsborough wrote:WARPONE (which surely needs to be separated so as not to be pronounced "war - pone"?)

Blimey - you mean this should be 'Warp One'? I've been mentally reading it as 'Warpone' - like some trade name for insecticide !

Alakazam wrote:Probably a stupid newbie question, but what do you guys mean by "the original card warp"?

i was wondering to know the same thing...i saw 2 versions of card warp, and they looked almost the same...

By the way, I agree (in a slightly qualified fashion) with TM's surgical Zorro, Farlsborough.

I can't imagine anyone seeing Warpone and saying, 'Well, that was a bit rubbish.' It's clearly very good. It's also a standard (and credit-worthy) activity to stare at an existing, already-lovely trick and, over many weeks of chin stroking, attempt to solve that One Thing that prevents it being utterly, impregnably astonishing, anywhere and always: to lift it from, 'fabulous' to 'Banachek will need oxygen after seeing it.' It’s addressing all the usual questions - "Can I solve that one angle problem?", "Could I make it impromptu somehow?", "Is there a way to remove the need to wear a jacket?", etc. In that sense, 'getting rid of the need for cover' is axiomatically positive: "And now I just place it under this handkerchief..." or “Let’s put that in this box [Don’t blush - try not to blush]... for safety...” is always the bit you deeply wish wasn't there.

So, Warpone isn't remotely the result of a question it was unusual or stupid to ask. Moreover, it appears - from the comments here, made by people who have it - to have been answered skilfully, and the DVD itself is well put together and of high quality. And the result, I repeat, is a good effect.

But I'll pass on this one and stick with Card Warp, thanks. The cover card, for me, is less than no problem - it's a plus, even. Partly because it makes the handling so natural and flowing, and partly because it 'fits' the effect. When I do Card Warp, I begin by idly musing, 'Have you seen the film The Fly...?': the rest - what with transportation devices and an accident leaving the hero stuck half-way between two things - pretty much, I'm sure you can see, writes itself. It's not because I'm fatally enamoured with this patter that I feel it 'fits', though. It just does. A thing passing through something else and being transformed in the process is instinctively right and acceptable. I no more want to remove it than, if there was a trick where you could look into someone's eyes and genuinely read their mind, I’d want to ditch that necessity to look into their eyes. If the cover card were gaffed so it wasn't examinable at the end, then that would be an issue. But as it's not and you end so clean that you're almost shining, there's nothing to be gained there. Also, I think the two-card version is just more visually pleasing, for various aesthetic and dramatic reasons.

There are doubtless patter ideas and performance styles where Warpone is the superior option, but, for me, Card Warp is still the preferred choice.

if you mess about with some blank business cards, measurements and various words - you can do some strange stuff with warp one...

even if its INside and OUTside, you can make the words change as you perform it...that would have some nice patter, maybe how words change their meanings over time...

Neat trick, but the moves are hard to memorize

they're not that difficult to remember really - you should keep at it, make a little list of the moves as numbered bullet points if you're having trouble keeping track of the moves...always works for me...

abraxus wrote:they're not that difficult to remember really - you should keep at it, make a little list of the moves as numbered bullet points if you're having trouble keeping track of the moves...always works for me...

always works for me too, did the same for torn and restore trick of daniel garcia, wrote down on a blank paper all the moves, with small schemes, and i just check it out when i do training, to memorize all the moves

better then watching the video, if you just miss a few moves..

always works for me too, did the same for torn and restore trick of daniel garcia, wrote down on a blank paper all the moves, with small schemes, and i just check it out when i do training, to memorize all the moves

better then watching the video, if you just miss a few moves..

There's an argument in the old book vs video debate right there. (Not that it has anything to do with warp one, just thought I would mention it)

A very informative thread this is and i have made a decision to avoid Warp One for now for a few reasons already mentioned.

The original is a great trick and is much easier to control and lengthen while WarpOne seems too quick. A "show me a trick" kinda...trick.

I also think that to really make an impact with this one would have to practice hard and perform the thing just like David Jenkins himself. I don't mind practice but after the time and effort put into this, to end up with something as quick as this seems...unfair.

I think the only way this trick can top the original Card Warp boils down to the final climax. WarpOne desperately needs a powerful finale and David created a restoration that may well hit the spot. This, for me, is the single biggest improvement on the original Walton effect and elevates the trick perfectly.

Just my 2p