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TheOldForum · Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 983

I bought the ambitious card routine but I just don't understand the instructions I can't figure out how to perform the trick!!! Maybe I'm just being thick but can any one help me??????

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Nathan OBrien']

TheOldForum · Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 983

What are you having problems with specifically? Since there about as many versions of the ambitious card as there are card magicians it is hard to help without a little more detail.
Nick

TheOldForum · Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 983

It's the last part I've seen performed by David Blaine where he folds the card adn then it pshes it's way to the top of the deck!!!

[Anonymously Posted by: 'Nathan OBrien']

TheOldForum · Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 983

It's a very simple sleight and if you have access to the Magician's Only section, I would be happy to explain it to you.

Regards... Tony

TheOldForum · Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 983

It's a very basic slight - You say you have instructions, they shouldn't be too hard to follow. Unless they're in Arabic or something - in which case I can understand your dilema!!!

TheOldForum · Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 983

As I say, it's not difficult to do, just so long as you have made the appropriate sacrifices before starting the routine.

In actual fact... If you want to know how to do this whole routine to an awesome standard, all you need to do is to buy 52 packs of Bicycle cards from Laurence, then re-box the cards so that one box contains for example 52 - 7 of Spades for example and another box contains say 52 - 3 of Clubs.

Once you have done this then you can perform the most amazing routines!

(he he... Yes I am joking, in case you are wondering).

... Tony

TheOldForum · Senior Member Joined: 21 Apr 2003 Posts: 983

how do you get into the magicians only disscusion board?

seige · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:23 am Post subject: Ambitious card routines

OK, I assume you've got basic technique and handling down (if not, try getting hold of some Hugard and/or Braue books - The Royal Road to Card Magic should be a good starting point).

Ambitious card routines are impressive, for sure, and look very complex to do. But in reality, the effect you're trying to get (the bent card jumping to the top) is quite an easy one to perform.

Obviously, I won't go into detail, but here's some pointers:
1: there is a double-lift in there!
2: there are 2 bent cards
3: logistically, you can only do this effect once without complex re-sets.
But like you've already heard, if you've got instructions, this should be very apparent.

If Ambitious card routines are your thing, check out Daryls Ambitious Card DVD or Video. Step by step the guy will give you devastating routines, including his own FISM routine with a killer ambitious card ending.
This ending effect alone is worth the price of the DVD. But there are so many routines described that you'll be spoiled for choice.
Perhaps the best thing about actually seeing effects performed is that you can visibly assess and analyse the moves, which accelerates the learning. I've got a good 20-30 books on card and coin magic, but when I actually SEE the handlings, it is almost like a revelation.

Unfortunately, the only real way to learn a lot of this stuff is to get real advice from experts and then practice practice practice...

And since I'm no expert, don't take my word for it, go get some books and DVDs and watch A LOT of magic.

But don't put too much faith in Blaine, for sure he's a clever guy, but quite a lot of his stuff is off-the-shelf and quite easily performed by total amateurs. I would not rate him too highly as a card magician...

Anonymous · Preferred Member Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Posts: 262

Hi Seige

You say "logistically, you can only do this effect once without complex re-sets".

This has me a little confused since I know this routine well and I am unaware of any "resets?" Maybe there is something you do that I do not and if so, please explain since I am always keen to learn.

Regards... Tony

seige · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:41 pm Post subject:

Tony

I'm referring to the 'bend' in the card.

My own ambitious card routine has about 8 different ambitious handlings in there. Most of which are instantly repeatable. One handling that can't be repeated easily is the 'bend'.

You can see my interpretation of this card magic effect at my website, NothingUpMySleeve.co.uk.

To re-set, you would need to 'un-bend' at least the indifferent before doing the trick again, hence the 'bent card' move should be done in the latter stages of the whole routine. (in fact, it is a perfect 'finale', as you're proving absolutely that the bent card MUST be travelling to the top).

If you don't re-set (and I've made this mistake!) then there's a rogue indifferent bent card in the middle of the deck somewhere, which is quite noticible unless you clamp the deck shut.

Also, it is necessary to bend another indifferent card in order to repeat the stunt, and by virtue of the fact that the selection card is already bent, there is no excuse for bending another indifferent.

The only way I could conceive doing a fluid re-set is to control the indifferent back to the top undercover of the spectator checking their 'bent' selection, and somehow get to a stage where you could perform another double-lift. But the differences in the bend amount of the two card would surely make a second DL a real pain!

I hope this cleared that up!

Regards...

S_adamson1 · Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:04 am Post subject: Ambitous Card

For all you people who are looking for a great way to finish a ambitous card routin. I would recommend doing the bent card or pop up move then ending with Jay Sankeys paperclipped. The bend in the card from the pop up move makes the necessary sleight much easier. For those who know what Paperclipped is you will understand. If not check it out at penguinmagic.com Another very good ending is Jays card to envelops which can be found on JAys revolutionary card magic DVD Hope this helps if you need some help email me at s_adamson1@hotmail.com

kardtrik · Junior Member Joined: 19 Feb 2005 Posts: 36

This may create more questions than answers, but I was taught something amazing at a magic convention one morning at around 4am.

It can be used on it's own, how I use it, or as a climax to your fav. ambitious routine.

The effect is this, and I will do my best to explian it if you contact me. I warn you--it's a knuckle-buster. Very difficult. Five stars.

Anyway, the spectator's card is insterted in to the deck at a 90 degree angle, outjogged for 3/4 of it's length, face up with signature in view, about two or three cards from the bottom of the deck.

You blow on the deck. with every breath, the card melts upwards towards the top of the deck. First, it's 1/4 up through the deck. Then, it's 2/3 up. Finally, it's on top. The illusion is perfect. It's breathtakeing, pardon the pun.

I'll find any way to make a knuckle buster easier, but this was worth learning the hard way. I have since seen other versions of it that are easier, but not as impressive. If I am having the same effect on my spectators that this guy had on me, then they are seeing pure magic.

There's a lot of psychology involved in this trick as well that is extremely important. remember, as magicians, we can sculpt not only what they ACTUALLY see, but we can also influence what they thought they saw.

But that's a different topic, isn't it?

COntact me with something to let me know that you are not an amateur, and I will do my best to explain the proper moves in text form.

Regards.

sgaterboy · Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:28 am Post subject: bend in card

mmm... this was dug up from almost two years ago !!!
and it almost borderline gives the trick away, IMHO Sad

oh well we still love you siege.
But, as AC is my fav trick. . . .

I find alternate springs will fix the problem of the bent card, meaning one spring face up and one face down. this can be done after the spectator grabs his card from the top of the deck in unbelief.

I've found a sweet spot in deck wear with AC. too new a deck and the bent indifferent card will still stand out. but with too worn a deck the DL will be near impossible to do consistantly. NOTE there are several DLs that can be done easily regardless of deck wear. I'm referring specifically to my favorite, the push-off DL. By all means if you prefer something else you could let the dog chew on the deck for an hour or so an the springs will be more than enough to restore a casual appearance to the deck. springs are also easier with a worn deck.

PS I normally wouldnt say this but, seeing as the post is two years old, doesnt it seem obvious this kid never saw the instructions Smile

PPS sorry if the original poster is still around and is legit but I would be VERY surprised.

supa - n · Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject:

is it me or is every post done by the old forum ??? i dont get it ?

jbmagic · Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Visual ambitious