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by **CharlieFox** » Jan 18th, '12, 22:20

Hey guys,

So I'm sure many of you will of heard of "SOPA" it's an American bill which will affect (if passed) a LOT of people/websites...

Magic sites/forums like this 1 will be majorly effected even if you were to just mention a copyrighted/trademarked name or picture and could be censored in the US.

Today (18/01/12) was SOPA Blackout day, the likes of Google & Wikipedia joined in and it's the day where you spread the message as much as possible.

If you could look into SOPA & PIPA bills as i suggest everyone does because it can affect your life on & offline..

Regards,
Charlie

by **spooneythegoon** » Jan 20th, '12, 20:32

Whats so bad about the Scottish Official Pensions Agency? :wink:

by **AnonymousZC** » Jan 20th, '12, 20:50

An update: Sopa and Pipa votes shelved after Congress climbs down on piracy bills

In a dramatic display of the power of online protest, a congressional vote on the anti-piracy bills Pipa and Sopa have been shelved after some of the internet's main players demanded a legislative rethink.

by **Lawrence** » Jan 21st, '12, 08:30

The thing is, the internet will find a way. This actually won't really affect us, people who matter [in that wholey illegal way] will just shift their servers to Mexico. Done.

by **AnonymousZC** » Jan 21st, '12, 10:15

Lawrence wrote:The thing is, the internet will find a way. This actually won't really affect us, people who matter [in that wholey illegal way] will just shift their servers to Mexico. Done.

As far as my understanding is, that it does not matter where the servers are, they will stop all search engines from showing the sites. They will also stop the ability for these sites to have website addresses.
But you are right, behind each website address is an ip address of the server, and they cannot stop it from having that, and they will not stop this ip address from getting around to everyone.
It may affect pirating, but it will not stop it and will cause more harm than good.

The way it might affect us (TalkMagic) is that they will have the right to fine/shut you down if you are found to have copyrighted content on the website. Now this could be a link to pirated software posted by a single posted spam bot, or it could be the splurb about a new trick copied from the shops website or the music played in the background while you perform a trick. The bills are so ambiguous, it is very hard to work out what exactly they can and cant do.

This is just my interpretation of these bills, and may be wrong in many ways. My sources and understandings could be wrong compared to others.

by **Lawrence** » Jan 21st, '12, 10:22

AnonymousZC wrote:As far as my understanding is, that it does not matter where the servers are,

So if a server in Columbia is pirating stuff to people in Russia, what right to the US have to take any kind of action on this?
and then, if same server is pirating to the US, do they really have a right? Wouldn't it be best to simply blog incoming data to the US rather than messing it up for all the other countries that don't care what SOPA thinks?

.... Ah,,,, China...

by **AnonymousZC** » Jan 21st, '12, 10:44

Lawrence wrote:... what right to the US have to take any kind of action on this?

That is the exact reason why people do not like this idea. They are trying to take control of the internet.

Fortuantly it seems to have fallen through at the moment. Though the link posted above didnt state this 'fact', I saw somewhere else it said that it has been shelved until more people back the idea. I cannot see anymore people backing the idea later on as there are now, so cannot see it being looked at any time soon.

by **Ted** » Jan 21st, '12, 11:29

Lawrence wrote:
AnonymousZC wrote:As far as my understanding is, that it does not matter where the servers are,

So if a server in Columbia is pirating stuff to people in Russia, what right to the US have to take any kind of action on this?
and then, if same server is pirating to the US, do they really have a right? Wouldn't it be best to simply blog incoming data to the US rather than messing it up for all the other countries that don't care what SOPA thinks?

.... Ah,,,, China...

My understanding is that the root DNS servers are under US control. So if they wanted to, they could simply exclude certain sites from their database. That means that the user-friendly names (like talkmagic.co.uk) would disappear and we'd have to type http://78.31.111.13 to access the site.

by **Pickman** » Jan 21st, '12, 15:30

Those new bills haven't even been passed yet but the US authorities recently closed down Megaupload, which is based in Hong Kong; what will it be like if they get the full control they want? They will probably abuse their power for political means in the same way Margaret Thatcher used the obscene publications act to try and silence political opposition.

by **CharlieFox** » Jan 21st, '12, 22:06

AnonymousZC wrote:
Lawrence wrote:The thing is, the internet will find a way. This actually won't really affect us, people who matter [in that wholey illegal way] will just shift their servers to Mexico. Done.

As far as my understanding is, that it does not matter where the servers are, they will stop all search engines from showing the sites. They will also stop the ability for these sites to have website addresses.
But you are right, behind each website address is an ip address of the server, and they cannot stop it from having that, and they will not stop this ip address from getting around to everyone.
It may affect pirating, but it will not stop it and will cause more harm than good.

The way it might affect us (TalkMagic) is that they will have the right to fine/shut you down if you are found to have copyrighted content on the website. Now this could be a link to pirated software posted by a single posted spam bot, or it could be the splurb about a new trick copied from the shops website or the music played in the background while you perform a trick. The bills are so ambiguous, it is very hard to work out what exactly they can and cant do.

This is just my interpretation of these bills, and may be wrong in many ways. My sources and understandings could be wrong compared to others.

Yeh your very right, you can rent a VPS and just have multiple IP addresses for about £1-£2 per IP...

by **TonyB** » Jan 22nd, '12, 01:04

Given the choice of the internet being in the hands of pirates or in the hands of the Americans, I will opt for the Americans. I am one of the people whose works Google Books tried to steal.

I do not suppport wikipedia or google's opposition to this legislation.