Edge palm

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Edge palm

Postby Misanthropy » Apr 7th, '14, 23:11



Having difficulty with the edge palm
every time I try to do it it always turns into the classic palm
the images in the book aren't very helpful and watched it on the dvd over and over and still can't get it

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Re: Edge palm

Postby magicofthemind » Apr 8th, '14, 09:46

Which book?

I learnt it from Hugard's "Modern Magic Manual" (he calls it the oblique palm). It's also described very well in Hay's "Amateur Magician's Handbook", though his insistence that you have to be able to do it with several coins is off-putting.

What coin are you using? Try a larger one to start with. And if you have dry hands (as I have) hand lotion may help.

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Re: Edge palm

Postby Misanthropy » Apr 8th, '14, 22:21

thanks for replying Barry
modern coin magic had the book for ages although just got the 4 disc dvd
was using £2 coins but got some silver half dollars and old english pennies as they are bigger
can do the edge palm but its getting the coin in that position thats the problem

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Re: Edge palm

Postby bmat » Apr 9th, '14, 17:45

What are you using it for? . Out of curiosity I looked it up and started trying it to see if I can give you any tips. Overal not easy. Further, I don't see any real advantage to using this type of palm. But that is just me.

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Re: Edge palm

Postby magicofthemind » Apr 9th, '14, 18:09

Once you get the knack it's much easier to get a coin into this position and reproduce it than it is with other palms. Nelson Downs invented it and (according to Henry Hay) could control up to a dozen coins with it. I struggle with more than one. Bobo's description is less detailed than the others I mentioned.

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Re: Edge palm

Postby Misanthropy » Apr 10th, '14, 00:29

haven't got as far as to learn any tricks that use it, just was going to learn all the sleights in the book so I wouldn't be at a disadvantage should a routine come up later that uses the edge palm

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Re: Edge palm

Postby magicofthemind » Apr 10th, '14, 09:49

To be honest, I wouldn't bother. If I'm carrying a coin I'll often put it into that position out of habit, but there aren't many effects that need it. Its main use is in a manipulation routine involving the production of several coins, such as the Miser's Dream, and even then there are easier methods.

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Re: Edge palm

Postby bmat » Apr 10th, '14, 20:38

Misanthropy wrote:haven't got as far as to learn any tricks that use it, just was going to learn all the sleights in the book so I wouldn't be at a disadvantage should a routine come up later that uses the edge palm


You should be performing. Your disadvantage is that you are going to know dozens of sleights you really don't need and will have almost no performing experience because you don't have effects to perform, and those that started at the same time who got a few really simple tricks and went out and performed them are going to be miles and miles ahead of you.

Find effects that interest you and learn whatever is needed to perform them and then go out and perform. Do it now! NOW I'm telling you because the amount of successful people who start out with just the sleights and then went on to perform are very few. The majority get so caught up in practicing the sleights and making them perfect so they are there when they need it end up never performing because they have nothing but sleights to perform.

And I hate to be the bearer of bad news. But if you don't perform you are not a magician. Magic is in the mind of the spectator, you create the magic for them. This is not to say you are not good, or you shouldn't do this, it may be you are simply not a performer and like the concept of magic. But one cannot really appreciate knowing what it is to be a magician until you perform.

Now it may be that I'm off base with you and you are out there performing all the time and are in your spare time working through the sleights. And if so, excellent but perhaps there are others reading this and privatly thinking, (OMG that is me!) Doesn't have to be just grab your svengali deck, your TT and your dynamic coins and go out and show the world.

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