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dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby ricric » Dec 10th, '14, 06:43



Where can I buy the type of sticky adhesive to apply to cards. The type I am wanting is the one that dries yet remains 'tacky' and lets one stick to cards together. It may be that what I am after is 'dots'. I'd much appreciate any advice on this. Thanks

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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby Lady of Mystery » Dec 10th, '14, 07:22

Most craft shops will do a repositionable adhesive.

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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby Mandrake » Dec 10th, '14, 08:53

Bostik sell 'Blu Glue" in pen shaped dispensers - stationery shops should stock it.

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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby isb » Dec 10th, '14, 13:35

Also 3M does a stick of repositional glue - looks like a small Pritt stick. I've not tried it, but did buy one a couple of months ago with a view to using it for just that purpose.

The Blue Glue is great, but I couldn't get the cards to separate without a noticeable noise. Although making it less tacky by handling the cards and talking loudly at the moment of separation may help there.

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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby ricric » Dec 11th, '14, 00:59

Thank you all so much - I guess I'll try the blue glue. and some micrdots. I have tried and previously used the 3m type but it doesn't have enough 'stick' for what I want. It's great though to have such help from all of you. Thanks. :D

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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby jim ferguson » Dec 16th, '14, 00:15

isb wrote:The Blue Glue is great, but I couldn't get the cards to separate without a noticeable noise.



Hi Ian, if you don't mind me asking, what effect are you doing that requires the cards to be seperated during performance ? The reason I'm asking is this sort of thing is usually best used as a permanent thing during the routine. What I mean is the cards are stuck during the effect and are not seperated until after the effect (on the fly) if a repeat is required. I have only seen one effect where the cards need to be seperated during performance but they aren't simply pulled apart - the method of seperation is built into the routine. Don't ask me who's trick it is though as I can't remember.
Or do you mean they are stored (in the deck for example) already stuck and you need to seperate them at the start ?

Ricric - If this is for some sort of vanish and reappearance or the like, sleight of hand would probably be a better option. There are numerous methods for this in print and I'm sure there will be a solution to fit your effect. If you can tell us a bit more without giving anything away we may be able to offer alternatives.

If you must use the sticky card method then the mentioned Blue Glue works well. Use it sparingly and if it holds too much, use less - experiment. If it is holding too much dab it with a finger (and keep dabbing). You'll notice it looses some of its tackyness - allowing you to get the exact hold you require.

Double sided tape is also an option for many of these types of effects.

Regardless of wether you are using glue or tape they should be applied in small amounts in a descrete place - on the angels if the back of the card or on pips if its the face for example.

Many of these effects require the cards to be stored already stuck (as I mentioned above) and seperated prior to the actual effect. There is a way around this though, regardless if its a packet trick from a wallet or such like, or a full boxed deck. And it works just as well wether you are using tape or glue.

The trick is to line the part of the inside of the wallet/box where the glue will touch with a piece of double stick tape. BUT LEAVE THE BACKING ON. The sticky card will hardly stick at all to the wax paper. By pressing down slightly with the thumb as you remove the cards from the wallet (in a packet trick), or pushing down with the thumb while squeezing the sides of the card box slightly, the cards can easily be removed - and you can go straight into the effect.


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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby ricric » Dec 16th, '14, 09:34

Jim hi and thank you so much for your advice and insights.

In practice I found the microdots perfect and almost certainly what the originator of the routine I purchased has used.

I purchased Richard Sanders ACES and realised that with the best will in the world I was going to eventually effect the cards because of my handling and natural oils from my hand(s). It is possible to order spares via Richard Sanders website but that's from the US and really costly. Being tiny dots via Amazon and preparing my own cards gives a good, low cost solution.

By the way you're absolutely right about string the cards between uses - I am using a method suggested by Richard Sanders to let me adjust the cards into working order just as I start the routine.

One thing I have noticed, now that I am getting really old, is the problem of at times complete dryness of my hands. A micro amount of something like neutragena ten minutes or so before I begin helps but isn't a perfect answer as it can leave the faintest of residues on the hands - and now we're back to why I wanted to make up some extra sets.

Best wishes to you and all the others who have offered me help on this subject, Richard

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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby isb » Dec 16th, '14, 14:00

Hi Jim,

It was an A Owen effect that he lectured at Blackpool 2013 and on his "some tricks" pdf/book - probably best not go into too much detail in an open forum, but the effect required adhesion and separation a few times through the phases. I don't do it (and haven't looked at it for a while) because of the separation noise. I tried to make it less tacky by dabbing as you described, but couldn't get it to a point where the noise was minimised while retaining enough stickiness. I bought the 3m repositional glue to give that a try but haven't got round to it yet.

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Re: dry Adhesive or dots?

Postby Mandrake » Dec 16th, '14, 14:17

Noise will always be a problem but, as the audience don't know the situation, they might not be alerted by a faint noise - possibly dismissing it as the cards riffling against each other. In any event, a bit of patter spoken louder and perhaps a bit of (mis)direction by looking well away from the cards may suffice to cover the noise.

Sticky dots don't need to be used in quantity, literally just a few will do the biz. Less dots, less noise.

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