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by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 21st, '14, 08:10

Hello y'all!

I'm putting together a chop cup routine. I like Tom Wright's ending, with the tennis ball, the bounce of which (ooh, that sounded posh!) provides fantastic misdirection for the second jumbo load -- and just looks really cool. Anyone for tennis?

My question is, can anyone suggest a suitable chop cup?

I bought the DELUXE CHOP CUP by BAZAR DE MAGIA, as it's advertised as having a 2.75 inch mouth, which in theory should be wide enough for a tennis ball. But the 2.75 measurement includes the thick rim; the internal diameter of the mouth, i.e. the actually opening, is a good deal smaller; you could maybe force a tennis ball inside but you'd never get it out again. (Mine is for sale if anyone wants it. Aluminium.)

I've seen the CHOP CUP DELUXE WIDE MOUTH by ICKLE PICKLE. "...has an extra wide mouth (the opening is 3.75") to receive an extra-large final load." OK, clearly this is going to fit a tennis ball. But maybe it's way TOO large.

A chop cup just big enough to take a tennis ball without it getting stuck would be perfect. I don't know which cup Tom Wright uses but it looks to me to be the perfect size. Can anyone recommend one? If not I'll have to buy the Ickle PIckle.

What about the MORRISSEY MAGIC cup? "For a startling climax, the ball changes into a lemon, orange, apple or a large ball". I guess if it fits an orange it will fit a tennis ball? But is it super huge like the Ickle Pickle?

I'm expecting to spend around twenty to thirty quid. I'd be suspicious of a really cheap cup, like a tenner.

Any help appreciated!

by **russpie** » Nov 21st, '14, 13:07

I'm sure if you email Tom he'd tell you where the one he uses is available.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 21st, '14, 14:25

russpie wrote:I'm sure if you email Tom he'd tell you where the one he uses is available.

Will do so now.

*does so now*

Thanks, russpie!

by **bmat** » Nov 21st, '14, 18:27

Just wanted to make sure you understand that the final loads don't always have to fit in the cup. Some of the best don't. The cup is lifted and there is the object then the cup is placed over the object and falls to the side because it can't fit! Makes for a little extra kick. It just has to appear to come from the cup.

When I first started with a routine my biggest issue was noise. Then I saw Steel and Silver. That Wizard Rat Bas... Paul Gertner uses Steel ball bearings in metal cups! Fine I say we all can't be Paul Gertner. Then my buddy Shawn Farquhar does an entire cups and balls routine only for the finally you find out the cups are solid as in...SOLID you can't put anything in the cups because the cup is just a solid chunk of metal. Another Rat Basta....

The lesson for me was, hmm, there are so many better magicians than I. lol

by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 22nd, '14, 12:34

bmat wrote:Just wanted to make sure you understand that the final loads don't always have to fit in the cup. Some of the best don't. The cup is lifted and there is the object then the cup is placed over the object and falls to the side because it can't fit! Makes for a little extra kick. It just has to appear to come from the cup.

When I first started with a routine my biggest issue was noise. Then I saw Steel and Silver. That Wizard Rat Bas... Paul Gertner uses Steel ball bearings in metal cups! Fine I say we all can't be Paul Gertner. Then my buddy Shawn Farquhar does an entire cups and balls routine only for the finally you find out the cups are solid as in...SOLID you can't put anything in the cups because the cup is just a solid chunk of metal. Another Rat Basta....

The lesson for me was, hmm, there are so many better magicians than I. lol

Yes, I use that principle with the Propdog mini chopcup (I'm now experimenting with something big, for parlour), to produce a pear. A pear works well because the top half fits inside the cup, so you palm the bottom half.

I will look up the Paul Gertner routine, it sounds interesting.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 22nd, '14, 12:40

Paul's routine is indeed awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0cGxqYZp6M

by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 23rd, '14, 16:06

Tom very kindly emailed me back. He uses The Bar Chop Cup. I've tried some Google searches and it doesn't seem to be available in the UK. Anyone know where I can get one? New or used is fine...

I assume he's talking about the Roger Nicot cup, which is a cocktail shaker cup including a lid, which clearly you don't have to use.

by **Magus** » Nov 23rd, '14, 20:41

I've got the Ickle Pickle one. I'm not home from work until Thursday unfortunately but I can take a picture with a tennis ball inside if you like.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 23rd, '14, 22:13

Magus wrote:I've got the Ickle Pickle one. I'm not home from work until Thursday unfortunately but I can take a picture with a tennis ball inside if you like.

That would be useful, tanks!

by **Magus** » Nov 24th, '14, 03:33

No worries, I'll get sort it when I get home.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 24th, '14, 15:05

Magus wrote:No worries, I'll get sort it when I get home.

*waits patiently*

by **Magus** » Nov 24th, '14, 21:02

Sorry Mr Grumpy I'm not sure if I made sense in my last post. I'm currently out of the country until Thursday and my chop cup is at home so it will be thursday before I can post a picture. Apologies for the delay, I'll get it up as soon as I can.

Shaun.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Nov 24th, '14, 22:42

Ah well!

by **Robmonster** » Feb 27th, '15, 15:20

I bought the PFD cup from Prop Dog. Fits a tennis ball nice and snugly.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Feb 28th, '15, 11:00

I bought the Bar Cup in the end. I love it aside from that it's steel, so the ball sticks to the sides if you're not carefully, which creates an odd effect when you lift to reveal. In general I find it's fine if you slam down quite sharply when you want to dislodge.