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Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby russpie » Apr 18th, '15, 22:06



I thought he did great. Came across like a regular human & all the effects worked which makes a nice change to the weirdos they normally have on.

I tell you what though, when the producers find out Jamie could've done Cardtoon 2 with the cannon drawing instead they'll kick themselves.

Hope he does well in the next round.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby Mandrake » Apr 19th, '15, 21:10

An excellent performance indeed and good to see a relatively 'old' trick being used so well. However, I suspect some TV editing took place as the effects seemed to follow very quickly with no real time to get ready. (Note to self: must go dig out my Cardtoon and Cardtoon 2 sharpish!)

Inevitably there is some controversy - this from MSN:

    Britain's Got Talent risked becoming embroiled in a fix row after it was claimed magician Jamie Raven had links to Simon Cowell.
    Newspaper reports claimed that the magician - who impressed the judges with his close-up tricks on last night's show - had performed at an event attended by BGT boss Cowell.

    Jamie performed at a charity ball for Katie Piper Foundation last November, reports the Star, which was also attended by the music mogul.
    "I donated my time to perform at the event so I have been in the same room as Simon," Jamie confirmed to the newspaper.
    Though, he added that he didn't perform for Simon 'that night. He said: "I was doing magic for the guests. I was wandering around the tables.
    Simon Cowell now believes in magic following this display from London conjuror
    "I didn't do any tricks for Simon that night, though."

    The paper also claims that Jamie's management - which he supplies magical acts to a variety of clients - boasts that it has supplied acts to Cowell in the past, but the magician insisted that the first time he met Cowell was when he auditioned.

    "On the day I had my audition that was the first time I met Simon. I'd never been closer to him than across a busy room so I don't think he'd seen my act that night," he added.

    A Britain's Got Talent spokesman said: "While Simon was at the event he didn't meet or see any of Jamie's tricks, nor was he aware of the connect when he did meet him at BGT. the first time he saw Jamie's magic was at his BGT audition."


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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby jhmagic1 » Apr 20th, '15, 23:20

Good to see a simple trick make such an impact. However im almost certain Simon Cowell would have had the "I now believe in real magic" line ready to say before he even knew who the magician was and which tricks he would do. After Smoothini on AGT they needed a similar small magic set done on BGT.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby Mandrake » Apr 21st, '15, 13:03

For those who want to compare, this is Dan Harlan performing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_3kBKGrls

And this is Jamie's performance: https://youtu.be/f0m9QtYWTIE?t=3m41s

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby Johnny Wizz » Apr 22nd, '15, 08:49

I have watched both versions several times and there is something "missing" on the BGT version. I am not sure if he did the move when the cameras were off his hands or if it was cut. I didn't see the programme and a friend described the trick to me. The missing bit is what made the trick sound impossible.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby jhmagic1 » Apr 22nd, '15, 09:54

If a spectator saw the trick live with the move left in and they were then asked to describe what happened in the trick I dont think they would mention that the magician took their named card from the deck.

The trick has been edited like alot of the tricks on T.V magic these days, which suggests BGT have a magic consultant this year.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby Mandrake » Apr 22nd, '15, 10:11

Johnny Wizz wrote: I am not sure if he did the move when the cameras were off his hands or if it was cut
Definitely cut. The time to do the missing bit would be longer than the time the camera seemed to be off his hands, it looked as though the deck was never touched after showing the first few cartoon backs. Perhaps the editor was fooled into thinking that bit was irrelevant therefore could be safely cut out? :D

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby MrCat » Apr 22nd, '15, 10:14

I just ordered cardtoon, I think the original, on the basis of this video! Might even arrive today :D I'd never seen/heard of it before. Is 2 much improved?
By the sounds of this thread it's not going to be quite as amazing as it looked haha, typical!

I'm also seriously considering extreme burn 2, but given the price would you reccommend it?

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby jhmagic1 » Apr 22nd, '15, 10:18

MrCat wrote:I just ordered cardtoon, I think the original, on the basis of this video! Might even arrive today :D I'd never seen/heard of it before. Is 2 much improved?
By the sounds of this thread it's not going to be quite as amazing as it looked haha, typical!

I'm also seriously considering extreme burn 2, but given the price would you reccommend it?


Cardtoon 2 is the same principle but a different flip story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTTi0ng4bs0

Extreme Burn has been considered one of the top multiple bill changes.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby Lee Smith » Apr 22nd, '15, 11:27

MrCat wrote:I just ordered cardtoon, I think the original, on the basis of this video! Might even arrive today :D I'd never seen/heard of it before. Is 2 much improved?
By the sounds of this thread it's not going to be quite as amazing as it looked haha, typical!

I'm also seriously considering extreme burn 2, but given the price would you reccommend it?



Its So cheap for what it is. E B 2 is one of my staples in my act here is myself with three different versions you might not of seen before. (all are quick clips)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thIrGSt4d3I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDkCiz6-jOM" target="_blank

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chGumSukxT8" target="_blank

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby Johnny Wizz » Apr 22nd, '15, 12:23

Mandrake wrote:
Johnny Wizz wrote: I am not sure if he did the move when the cameras were off his hands or if it was cut
Definitely cut. The time to do the missing bit would be longer than the time the camera seemed to be off his hands, it looked as though the deck was never touched after showing the first few cartoon backs. Perhaps the editor was fooled into thinking that bit was irrelevant therefore could be safely cut out? :D


..and now I have to try to explain that to my friends when I do the trick for them. It was the total hands off by the magician part of the description of the trick that I could not get my head around to start with.

Still a damned good trick but not quite as mystifying as the TV coverage would have it!

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby bmat » Apr 22nd, '15, 13:45

MrCat wrote:I just ordered cardtoon, I think the original, on the basis of this video! Might even arrive today :D I'd never seen/heard of it before. Is 2 much improved?
By the sounds of this thread it's not going to be quite as amazing as it looked haha, typical!

I'm also seriously considering extreme burn 2, but given the price would you reccommend it?


Both effects are brilliant and both have been around for a long time. Both are now sitting in the magical 'junk drawer' of most magicians because they were the hot items of the day. Now many will dig it out, dust it off and take a second look and after a few attempts will be on the unhappy side of it and toss it back in the drawer. Why? Because the vast majority of us simply have not figured out that any trick is amazing, it is simply never the effect but the performance of it.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby MrCat » Apr 22nd, '15, 18:08

Lee Smith wrote:
Its So cheap for what it is. E B 2 is one of my staples in my act here is myself with three different versions you might not of seen before. (all are quick clips)



Wow, nice one Lee, sweet. And I love the blue outfit! :D You've sold me on that.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby russpie » Apr 23rd, '15, 11:47

bmat wrote:Both are now sitting in the magical 'junk drawer' of most magicians because they were the hot items of the day. Now many will dig it out, dust it off and take a second look and after a few attempts will be on the unhappy side of it and toss it back in the drawer. Why? Because the vast majority of us simply have not figured out that any trick is amazing, it is simply never the effect but the performance of it.

Mine will stay in the drawer after it was front page news on a tabloid paper (I know) exposing it & even printing a link to the exposure video. If might make a return after a couple of years. Thanks the lord they didn't expose the bill switch or Extreme Burn.

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Re: Jamie Raven - Britain's Got Talent

Postby Mandrake » May 29th, '15, 21:34

Oh dear - taken from MSN:

    Jamie Raven magicked himself into the final of Britain's Got Talent after winning the public vote in Wednesday night's semi, but not everyone has been left impressed with his wizardry.

    The magician asked 52 members of the live audience to think of an object and write the word down on a piece of paper. He then asked Alesha Dixon to shout 'stop' as he shuffled the pack of answers, before giving each judge a word.

    Jamie proceeded to conjure up the objects from nothing - a goldfish for David Walliams, an ice cube for Alesha, a shoe for Simon Cowell and a helicopter for Amanda Holden (yes, really).

    However, some viewers began pointing out flaws in Jamie's trick, noting that he had taken off his shoe before Simon had said the word so must have known what it was beforehand.

    The most beady-eyed Twitter users took screenshots of Jamie slipping off his shoe while working on Alesha's ice. The cameraman and your TV's rewind button have a lot to answer for. So does the person in the audience who wrote 'helicopter' but failed to make themselves known when asked by Simon.


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