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Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby FreeFlyer » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:58 pm



Hi All,
I’m new to magic and would like to get into close up magic. I borrowed Dynamos biography from the library and its inspiring me to get into it. I’ve looked into courses and have found that Davenports do a beginners course starting in Jan 2017. Has anyone tried these? Are these any good? Is there anything I could do in the meantime? Any advice / tips would be really great.
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Postby Mandrake » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:26 pm

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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby moonbeam » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:15 pm

Hi and welcome to TM :)

Any particular type of close up magic??

I only do cards, so I could only really advise you on card related magic. There are other people on here that could probably advise you on different types ..... depends what you're after??

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Postby mr invisible » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:16 pm

FreeFlyer wrote:Hi All,
I’m new to magic and would like to get into close up magic. I borrowed Dynamos biography from the library and its inspiring me to get into it. I’ve looked into courses and have found that Davenports do a beginners course starting in Jan 2017. Has anyone tried these? Are these any good? Is there anything I could do in the meantime? Any advice / tips would be really great.
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Firstly, welcome to Talkmagic. 8) where Are you based in the UK ? If so, try and google your closest, or local magic club.. This will be the best place to learn the trade. Especially as you will be getting plenty of advice from seasoned performers etc. Also worth mentioning, the beginners course would also be a great learning process for you.. Just be prepared, as it probably won't be cheap.. Good luck.
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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby FreeFlyer » Tue Nov 01, 2016 11:39 am

Hi, im based on north london and am interested in card magic. I was recommended the royal road to card magic, although i think i read that it was written over 60 years ago, is this still the industry standard or any other books / videos etc recommended? how would i find a local magic club? thanks for all the help

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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby Magic1Jim » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:39 am

I started off with the royal road book, and Mark Wilsons complete course in magic. I would recommend the Karl Fulves self working books if you are interested in cards as these are just read and follow

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Postby magicofthemind » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:54 am

Hi there

Your best bet for a local magic club is the London Society of Magicians, which meets at Davenports in Charing Cross underground station (really).
https://lsmmagic.magicandweb.com/

Or, if you prefer Watford:
http://www.wamclub.co.uk/

Or, in Ealing:
http://www.zodiacmagicalsociety.co.uk/

I'd personally suggest you steer clear of Royal Road. It's heavy going and there's something in Chapter 1 that I could never master. The Mark Wilson Course will give you all round knowledge, including enough card magic to get you started. The Karl Fulves books are very good. The card book that I'd recommend - and I must make it clear here that I don't do card tricks - is The Complete Illustrated Book of Card Magic by Walter Gibson, but you'll have to get it second-hand. Gibson is a much better writer than Hugard; I actually started with another of his books, What's New in Magic, which is back in print. That has extensive chapters on the Hindu Shuffle and Charlier Pass which are worth the price of the book.

The age of a book doesn't really matter. Even the oldest effects are new to the young generation who haven't seen them before. After Mark Wilson, I suggest Henry Hay's Amateur Magician's Handbook.

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:36 pm

Mark Wilson's Complete Course is a great book to get you started with, it covers card magic as well as just about every other area that you might be interested in. Don't worry about how long ago a book was published, most modern stuff is just an over priced rehash of something that was first published years ago.

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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby SuzanneScott » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:45 pm

magicofthemind wrote:Hi there

Your best bet for a local magic club is the London Society of Magicians, which meets at Davenports in Charing Cross underground station (really).
https://lsmmagic.magicandweb.com/" target="_blank

Or, if you prefer Watford:
http://www.wamclub.co.uk/" target="_blank

Or, in Ealing:
http://www.zodiacmagicalsociety.co.uk/" target="_blank

I'd personally suggest you steer clear of Royal Road. It's heavy going and there's something in Chapter 1 that I could never master. The Mark Wilson Course will give you all round knowledge, including enough card magic to get you started. The Karl Fulves books are very good. The card book that I'd recommend - and I must make it clear here that I don't do card tricks - is The Complete Illustrated Book of Card Magic by Walter Gibson, but you'll have to get it second-hand. Gibson is a much better writer than Hugard; I actually started with another of his books, What's New in Magic, which is back in print. That has extensive chapters on the Hindu Shuffle and Charlier Pass which are worth the price of the book.

The age of a book doesn't really matter. Even the oldest effects are new to the young generation who haven't seen them before. After Mark Wilson, I suggest Henry Hay's Amateur Magician's Handbook.

Barry



Thanks for helping. Great info.

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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby mark lewis » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:21 am

Do NOT steer clear of the Royal Road to Card Magic! That, with all due respect, is very daft advice indeed. This is THE classic book on card magic. You can study it chapter by chapter from beginning to end and if you thoroughly study each chapter and have the aptitude you can end up a very good card magician indeed. Scattered throughout the book are little hints and tips on presentation and showmanship which you will find in time are more important than the actual trick.

I never met a magician for the first two years of my study of magic and I thank God every day for it otherwise I would have been badly influenced by them. By all means you don't have to do what I did and I am quite sure personal instruction from someone who knows what they are doing will be helpful. I simply taught myself magic from books and this is perfectly possible.

Even to this day 50% of my repertoire consists of tricks from the Royal Road. It is a wonderful book. There is nothing "heavy going" in it if you are even moderately intelligent and willing to practice. However, in my usual magnificent spirit of generosity I will be happy to explain properly whatever Barry cannot master. I am getting a strong psychic vibe it is that slightly awkward move in the first trick "Topsy Turvy Cards". It bothered me when I first read it too. I do believe it is deceptive but alas at the time I chickened out and simply substituted another move instead of it. Problem solved. Nowadays I do a very advanced version of this trick which would indeed be difficult.

I did start with an easier book on card magic by Wilfrid Jonson which I found very helpful as a complete beginner. Alas I have forgotten the title but the internet knows everything.

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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby magicofthemind » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:49 am

mark lewis wrote:Do NOT steer clear of the Royal Road to Card Magic! That, with all due respect, is very daft advice indeed. This is THE classic book on card magic.

Even to this day 50% of my repertoire consists of tricks from the Royal Road. It is a wonderful book. There is nothing "heavy going" in it if you are even moderately intelligent and willing to practice. However, in my usual magnificent spirit of generosity I will be happy to explain properly whatever Barry cannot master. I am getting a strong psychic vibe it is that slightly awkward move in the first trick "Topsy Turvy Cards"..


Hi Mark

I'm not suggesting that everyone should steer clear of Royal Road - I just think it would be off-putting to an absolute beginner.

The "move" that I couldn't master was the injog, but I've never needed it; I use a lift instead, and I learnt that from Gibson (it is in Royal Road too, but much later in the book). And anyway, as I said above, I don't do card tricks.

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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby Boris » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:49 pm

I highly recommend Davenport's course for beginners. You won't be disappointed. And welcome to the forums.

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Re: Keen newbie looing for advice tips etc

Postby mark lewis » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:57 pm

The injog is one of the most important moves in card magic and I think it was perfectly adequately described. Mind you the DL in the Royal Road is a bloody awful one so you may well have been better off with Walter Gibson.
It is true that I didn't study the Royal Road until I was doing magic for about a year but I still think I was somewhat of a beginner. It was the Wilfrid Jonson book that got me started and there was far less sleight of hand in it. However once I got on to the Royal Road (which IS a beginner's book) I really made fantastic progress.

I suppose there are easier tomes to start with but sooner or later you have to learn some basic sleight of hand. You can get by without it but your repertoire will be very limited.

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