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seige wrote:If you can't find them, you need to study a bit Banachek would be a good start...

I have been looking for Psychological Subtleties but it's out of print now!
Grrr!

Lord Freddie wrote:

seige wrote:If you can't find them, you need to study a bit Banachek would be a good start...

I have been looking for Psychological Subtleties but it's out of print now!
Grrr!

Keep your eye on NUMS, it's coming into stock, with some other Banachek stuff, very soon

Thanks Seige, I certainly will. Would you mind dropping me a PM when you have it please?

Hello boys,

I feel a bit guilty hijacking this thread but it is pertinant to the discussion.

Outlaw's new release "Reflections" pocket book is, well... the grown-up version of the effect being discussed here.

It's fairly generic in looks, U.K. friendly, and, completely examinable.

Let them hold it, look at it, they will never find anything.

I am a paid advertiser here so, yeah I'm going to add my 2 cents on the subject and blatantly hype this effect.

There are a couple of reviews here on talkmagic check them out.

Thanks!

Rick

Thanks Roth, I will check it out. I like the BIP book a lot for it's cunning principle and ease of use. It also looks genuine too.

Lord Freddie wrote:Thanks Roth, I will check it out. I like the BIP book a lot for it's cunning principle and ease of use. It also looks genuine too.

B.I.P. is a very nice effect.

The Reflections book is a bit more "institutional" looking. It doesn't have the pretty colored pictures.

There are some nice subtleties to handling the B.I.P book but it still cannot be examined by the spec.

The Reflections book is completely examinable.

There are photos on the outlaw site.

Rick

As this topic has been brought back to life lately thought I'd ask, do any of you using the BIP ever have probs with the spec flicking through pages instead of just straight opening as we want them too?

Is it acceptable to riffle through the pages ultra fairly for them & to open the book & display the page for them (while plainly looking away of course).

Just wondered really, had the BIP for a long time (1st version) but never used it because of my fear of them not stopping on the 1st page but until now it never really occured to me to riffle through myself.

Also I read on another post that the BIP had been discussed in Techniques but having searched & browsed through the techniques area the posts seem to have disappeared, gone for good or buried somewhere

P.S. As said I have version one, but having read the reviews for version two I've just written into the book one of the new effects in pen, don't think there's any harm in that & it gives me an additional effect.

I have version two of the BIP book and tend to demonstrate how I would like them to riffle through the book before handing it to them and people tend do exactly as you say.
When I open it at a non-f**ce page, which I display to the audience, I don't riffle through and hold it differently and when I ask the volunteer to find a page I say to them: "If you hold it like this and riffle through till you want to stop."
The only problem I have had is when people's ability in mathematics disables them from adding up three simple numbers. Choose your volunteers carefully and avoid neanderthals in baseball caps!

Lord Freddie wrote:The only problem I have had is when people's ability in mathematics disables them from adding up three simple numbers.

Last week I bought an item from a local shop, normal price was £10 exactly and the special deal was 25% off. The 'sales assistant' had to use a caclulator to get the nett price and was amazed that I'd already got the exact sum in cash ready before she'd finished working it out .

I don't know whether to laugh at that Mandrake or cry
Think I'll laugh & claim superiority

Mandrake wrote:

Lord Freddie wrote:The only problem I have had is when people's ability in mathematics disables them from adding up three simple numbers.

Last week I bought an item from a local shop, normal price was £10 exactly and the special deal was 25% off. The 'sales assistant' had to use a caclulator to get the nett price and was amazed that I'd already got the exact sum in cash ready before she'd finished working it out .

Digressing from the thread (as did yourself)...

Me and Mrs Seige were sales shopping just after Xmas, and happened to walk into NEXT, the clothing/home store.

Browsing around, we noticed a sign which clearly stated:
"ALL SALE ITEMS HALF PRICE OR LESS, GUARANTEED"

Mrs Seige picked up some stuff, and I found a nice pair of jeans, so we stood in the rather long and tedious queue.

Looking through the stuff we'd picked up, I noticed the pricing, which was the same sort of deal on all items, i.e.:
"ORIGINAL PRICE: £29.99, SALE PRICE, £15"

Now, oddly, that's more than half price, by a 1/2 penny.

When we got to the head of the queue, I asked (much to Mrs Seige's dismay)...
"The sale prices guarantee half price or less, this one, for instance, says £29.99 original price, sale price of £15. To make this half price or less simply involved you making it £14.99 instead of £15"

The blank faced assistant paused two seconds before replying:
"Yes, it is half price. All items are half price or less"

To which I responded:
"No. No it's not. Imagine the original was £30, how much would that have been at half price...?"

Again, a blank face and a pause...
"That would make £15 half price"

"Yes"—I said. "That's right. So £15 doubled is £30, and NOT £29.99"

The now flustered 18/20 year old assistant looked rather embarrased, and was managing to keep her cool. Also, the large queue behind us didn't deserve me tattling on over 1/2 a penny per-item...

"Don't worry!" I said, "I'm not after a discount, I was just curious as to who worked it out, as it's actually breaking your half price guarantee!"

After this, we paid for the items as another assistant busily packed our goods. Whilst handing over our change, the young assistant said:
"Well, let's just be thankful that all our customers aren't mathematicians then"

I'm not entirely Magnus Pike, but it doesn't take much to do a simple division by two!

Blair's Britain, eh?
I once performed the BIP book and the first volunteer word associated "racing", not with "sports car" as you'd expect, but with "ROCKING HORSE"!!!
I managed to raise a few laughs from this and the finale when I went on to read the other two people's minds was all the more effective. The reactions were priceless!

Don't get me started on the abysmal math (or is that maths?) ability of our younger generations. I contend with it so much in my own work just trying to teach them simple math for social science....

Anyway, I have BIP2 and really like it. I have not had any problems yet, but any effect that gives a significant role to the spectator requires extra care. I do John Bannon's Dead Reckoning and the number of times the spectator forgets to include 'of' when spelling 'ace of diamonds' or forgets to think the word 'stop' instead of shout it out is simply amazing!

I try to pick participants carefully, but sometimes even the brightest looking of people have trouble performing simple tasks!
Luckily, as our act has a lot of comedy in it, I can make a joke of things in a Bruce Forsyth kind of way.
It's amazing that with BIP book people only have to add three digits up and some have trouble doing that!!!

Mandrake wrote:

Lord Freddie wrote:The only problem I have had is when people's ability in mathematics disables them from adding up three simple numbers.

Last week I bought an item from a local shop, normal price was £10 exactly and the special deal was 25% off. The 'sales assistant' had to use a caclulator to get the nett price and was amazed that I'd already got the exact sum in cash ready before she'd finished working it out .

Hahaha I was in a pub trying out some magic when a junior dr came in. I tried a banachek trick on her only to find she was completley unable to subtract a 3digit number from another 3 digit number!