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I learnt this recently off Banacheks 2nd DVD but must admit the whole stigmata thing left me pretty cold.

That was until I ran out of material at a party the other day and did it for someone... The effect it had on the spectators was really strong. They were blown away, and when I repeated it the next day for a fairly magic savvy mate he too was impressed (hoorah)!

I think I'm going to adapt it for something other than cards though, maybe in conjunction with another effect.

I think i have actually just figured out how to do this, may not be the proepr version but it is hell easy to pull off with a spectator and there is probably no need for a forced card, just a little misdirection.

Delude wrote:I think i have actually just figured out how to do this, may not be the proepr version but it is hell easy to pull off with a spectator and there is probably no need for a forced card, just a little misdirection.

Sure, but you'd need to see/know the card somehow wouldn't you.

Ah, lol. Didn't think of that. But yeah. You could double undercut it to the bottom and glimpse [spec doesn't see the bottom card] and then just cut it back in. acting as if you're playing around with the cards.

I have a problem though, i can't really get the card/number/whatever to show up as much as i'd like to. I don't think i can say here what i am using to get the card on my arm but when i squeeze you can't see it much.

Rubber Chicken wrote:Bloomin eck!

As soon as I saw the 7 of Diamonds appear I knew how it was done. 2 minutes later my arm sported a "stigmata" as well. Half an hour after that it came back to me that as a kid I used to do something similar to create false temporary scars on my arm.

No wonder Ellusionist didn't show the actual stigmata in the preview.

I think maybe Blapsing_Beard (Chris) should remove his video as people are starting to work out how Stigmata is accomplished. I paid good money to learn it properly.

And to be honest, if you want to post a video of Stigmata - why not get an actual performance clip - please give this effect the respect it deserves.

While i understand you wanting to show people what the preview didnt, it is obvious why Ellusionist didnt want to show the Stigmata in their preview, becuase it would spark discussions such as this.

I did not work it out BECAUSE of this video at all. I watched the video and thought to myself other ways of achieveing this effect. I tried before i saw this video to accomplish the same effect. I then saw something on my desk that i could use and it worked, very well.

Just tried my version [dunno if it is the same method] of stigmata on my bro and got an amazing reaction! Only problem is that the mark looks like it'll stay on my arm for a while

Sounds like you have a different method. But if it works, then cool use it!

so I searched for the dvd on ebay
and I got alot of things called stigmata
there is a movie and a music album and alot more
but never mind
I want to know
can it be done with someones name ???!
like lats say I go to someone and ask him whats your nasme and do it ?

Yes you could do this. But just the initials would advised...


You can make any shapes appear on you arm.

Mahoney, do you have stigmata?

Delude wrote:I did not work it out BECAUSE of this video at all. I watched the video and thought to myself other ways of achieveing this effect. I tried before i saw this video to accomplish the same effect. I then saw something on my desk that i could use and it worked, very well.

Just tried my version [dunno if it is the same method] of stigmata on my bro and got an amazing reaction! Only problem is that the mark looks like it'll stay on my arm for a while

Thats cool. From what you have said, it is clear you are not using Wayne/Banachek's method. Dont do yourself any harm though Delude. But good work on making your own version.

I would recommend purchasing the video though as the fingers marks from your spectator do fade and the initials, number, card, shape etc do slowly appear on your arm. If presented properly it can be very freaky.

I hope you can understand my concern though from people possibly working this out through a video. My original post was not aimed at you personally - but to the community as a whole.

I only posted it here because of many people wondering what it looked like at the end. I would very much recomend getting the dvd even if you "think" you know how it is done due to a good explanation. I have to say, it is very good, though the method is easy. The reactions I get are very strong. I have people screaming, falling on the fllor, speechless - everything!

I will however, remove the video if you wish. I don't believe it shows the method, though I could be wrong.

Delude wrote:Mahoney, do you have stigmata?

Yep.

Blapsing_Beard wrote:I will however, remove the video if you wish. I don't believe it shows the method, though I could be wrong.

You are not wrong Chris. I understand why you would want to share the look of the effect with the community, and I do believe everyone should have the right to see what Stigmata looks like as apposed to some guy screaming over and over as in the preview.

However, the problem is if people see your video and start to guess or reverse engineer the method then I believe the video should be taken down.

Rubber Chicken wrote:Bloomin eck! As soon as I saw the 7 of Diamonds appear I knew how it was done. 2 minutes later my arm sported a "stigmata" as well.

Ellusionist left the visual nature of the effect out for this very reason. While magicians’ seeing your video is great, one must remember that lay people and wanna-be tricksters will be searching these forums for quick and easy opportunities to second guess methods.

At the end of the day, I am in no position to tell you to remove the video, as of yet it has done no serious damage, I am merely just expressing my feelings on what could potentially ruin an incredible effect.

P.S Congratulations on the success you have received with Stigmata!

chris2215 wrote:
However, the problem is if people see your video and start to guess or reverse engineer the method then I believe the video should be taken down.

But isn't that the same with many other tricks? For example, the sinful coin in soda - though it is better to buy the dvd, and have it taught perfectly, it is possible to just guess the method by doing what Wayne does. I deliberately left out the part where the magician uses misdirection due to misdirection not really working on film

p.s. thanks for your comment. Do you perform it much? WHat reactions do you get?