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I love this effect, however i was wondering if the cards can be passed around for inspection and are there any gimmicks involved (simple yes /no) or is it just sleights?

*edit* wasn't sure which forum this belonged in feel free to move as you please.

try the search, there are many descriptions of this effect.

short version - it:s a letdown. not rec:d

i disagree...its not a let down and yes the kings can be handed out for inspection after the trick...no gimmicks


Option what were you expecting???

well, I expected to be able to deal with a borrowed deck. You can't. If you disagree, come to my country and I'll lend you a deck. okay, so you can do half the trick with a borrowed deck.

I expected it to have some radical new move. It doesn't. In fact, it is apparently exactly the same as Richard Sander's HARDCORE PACKET routine. Sander had a word with E and that's why they have the small notice on their web page now. I don't have HARDCORE PACKET so I don't know what the exact details are.

and this last part I've only heard, on the SANKEY/SANDERS SESSIONS DVD where this trick is taught, he makes a comment on the trick which I have also made. This trick is so easy to see through if the angle is wrong. Your audience has to be close, but they can't be too close. I can't be more specific without giving away the secret. I've been caught for trying to do much much less

Look at the demo again. There is no complete routine shown there. You see snippets from here and there are only, and the actual demo is done with a shady film effect which helps cover the problem.

if you want to do a similar effect to this, you can simply search fo ungimmicked NFW here on this forum for a similar trick with less danger Or if you really insist, then follow the advice of the web page itself and go for the SANKEY/SANDERS SESSIONS DVD

Easy there tiger! I brought this effect a few weeks ago and i believe it is good. A litle practise needed to get it looking sexy but on the whole the lessons are very clear and different methods to consider.Sure enough you can't orrow a deck but if you had to borrow a deck you could do another superb routine such as jazz aces. What a classic!

Option - I'm a bit confused. Exactly why do you say the entire effect can't be done with a borrowed deck?

yeah same here...it can be done with a borrowed deck its just a bit harder...I have done this several times

Demitri wrote:Option - I'm a bit confused. Exactly why do you say the entire effect can't be done with a borrowed deck?

Well because I'm quite sure you don't have d** for my slightly worn mickey mouse deck. Or my power rangers deck...
You can of course skip the last part, but then why not just do an UG'd NFW?

can be performed with a borrowed deck

This thread is getting far to close to exposure of the method, even if it is wrong. Could some posts be edited?

I don't own Mercury but the method seemed fairly easy given that I do a vaguely similar routine. I could easily do it from a borrowed shuffled deck given that all 52 cards were present. I'm not sure why you say you need gimmicks Option, do you own it?

Kati

Oh I give up. I'm just getting pushed around. I'm sorry I ever said I didn't like this trick. When do I ever say you need gimmicks?
This is going nowhere, so I'll just leave shadowmask to make of it what they will.

option,

you are entitled to your own opinion and me along most everyone else on this forum respects that...its just the fact that you were making false statments about this trick...in the DVD it shows methods in and out, and with and without a borrowed deck


and kati i dont see where he says you need gimmicks

Option - no one is pushing you around. I was only trying to figure out what part of the effect you felt made it impossible to pull off with a borrowed deck.

As for not liking the trick - I too am not a fan of this effect, and have said so in other threads. I agree there are (in my opinion) superior ways to perform an NFW-esque effect.

So - could you be more specific as to which part of the effect you feel is not possible with a borrowed deck?

Demitri wrote:So - could you be more specific as to which part of the effect you feel is not possible with a borrowed deck?

i dont think this is a good idea...i can see the exposure already

No it's not. I'm assuming he means the ending where the Aces appear face up in the center of the deck. If that's the part - how is that exposure?