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With regard to the palm reading book by Julian Moore I have no idea. The advert certainly reads well and is designed to tempt. I have no idea who Mr Moore is but for some reason I suspect a magician/mentalist. I think I am basing this on the style of the advertising copy. It seems very prevalent nowadays.

I cannot comment on his work. I haven't read it. However I have always recommended books by Richard Webster if you want to learn palmistry.

For the Tarot I have always loved a little book called Tarotmania by Jan Woudhuysen. In North America I have seen it under the title "Tarot Therapy" I think the book is out of print so you will have to search for it on the internet or something. The other little book I liked was by the late Joe Riding. I think it was called "Tarot in 7 days" or something. My psychic career really took off when I read that book. And I DID learn the tarot in 7 days just like he said!

My book on Marmaduke the wonder mouse was written in one week in the home of she who cannot be named in a wicked place called Las Vegas. I am not allowed to name this person since her husband is very prominent in the magic world and she deems any association with the evil Mark Lewis to be very bad for his business.

The book was written in Vegas in one week in 2002 but has languished there ever since in a lap top computer. It has now finally been brought to light out of the darkness of procrastination and will soon see the light of day. She who cannot be named produced the book and her husband edited it on the condition that nobody should know that they are even involved. Association with the wicked Mark Lewis can cause notable magicians to no longer be notable so I have to keep my mouth shut.

In fact just mentioning this here means that I am taking my life into my hands. Don't be surprised if I delete it. Fortunately she never looks at magic forums deeming them a great waste of time.

I think I had better stop gossiping about the matter except to say that she has finally finished the production of the book and I suspect that it will be in print within a couple of weeks. It describes the famous wonder mouse, the spooky pencil and the squirmle which all work by the same method. It describes pitch items which take in just as much money as the svengali deck yet I never describe the pitch business in any of my books.

But back to palmistry. I recommend highly that magicians do a little bit of it. It can be a very useful tool to be added to your repertoire and will often overshadow your magic. You will find that no marvellous your sleight of hand the instant you mention that you can read palms everyone will lose interest in your card and coin tricks and demand that you read their hand.

It is worth thinking about taking this up even to a cursory extent.

taneous wrote:

MagicTom wrote:umm.

If then, 2 readings are completely different. That challanges the whole point doesnt it.

Its all about what the person doing the reading decides what each line means!

So depending on which reader you go to, you will get a different result?

This is one of those things i cant get my head round. Sorry. (as with a fair few things in life - LOL)

hmm - you could say the same thing about the bible - but let's not go there, shall we

hehe - i dont want to go here.

But yes. There are some things in the bible that have the same effect on me. (and others)

But thats a big discussion not related to magic. So as you said...shall we leave this one.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0356 ... e&n=266239

for tarotmania...i've just gotten a copy for £1.10...

Ah Mark, and you were doing so well. where to start...? you have served up so much for me to work with. the tantalising decision is what to use now and what to save for later.

Mark Lewis wrote: I informed him (Bobby_Cat) that I was going to do my reading anyway I liked and if he didn't like my layout and organisation he could go and stuff himself up his left nostril.

I dont believe i said i did not like your layout. i said Ian's was better. perhaps anyone who thinks Mark's layout was better can post here now.

i also made mention of why Ian's layout was better... (he is computer savy and you are not... how did i know that? you told me). i made no judgement of content, i did explain why i could not make such judgment re content.

seriously... for someone who advocates the benefits of books... you dont read all that well. lets stick to facts please, i realise they can at times be the psychic's worst enemy, but you have taken exception to something that DID NOT HAPPEN.

Mark Lewis wrote: I also commented on the fact that I knew something about Ian's reading which he didn't since Ian contacted me privately about it. I ain't gonna tell though. I will leave it up to Ian whether to spill the beans or not. I have a feeling that he shouldn't. People won't know the difference and it will be fun to let the silly b***** from Australia wonder what we are on about.

oh dear... Mark, you dont need to tell me about Ian's reading. i have some very disturbing news for you old chap. he sent me the same PM... ask him!!! he is indeed an impressive gent. i already know the situation. in fact he did it a couple of days ago. that begs the question... how the hell did you NOT know that???

quoting Mark Lewis: I must inform Bobby Cat that I am lukewarm regarding his "task". I am not attracted to challenges - I am attracted to money. Up front too. This is only to be expected from descendants of convicts.

i do not believe i issued you with a "Challenge" here Mark. perhaps a quick re read of my actual comments will be helpful to you. please see below:

Bobby_Cat wrote: i also am considering Mark's offer. not to prove him wrong though... that would be a waste of my money and his time. more so to prove him right. however i have a little task i would like him to undertake first, i am quite sure he will PM me if he is interested in completing this task, or at least finding out what it is. if not, then no big deal... i haven't exactly presented myself as the ideal psychic client

Mark, the reason i proposed to do this by PM is because i did NOT want this to appear as a public challenge. in fact quite the opposite. so i proposed the PM... then you could privately decide to perform a reading for me (that i would pay for at your quoted price), or you could privately decline. the "task" is not a challenge, it is something i would like you to do before you undertake my reading. if you are prepared to do that, and i am satisfied with the outcome (of the pre reading "task"), then we do the deal (the reading). if not, then privately... NOT publically you make that decision and there need not be any "issues".

may i remind you Mark, you made the offer for palm readings within this very thread. i am one of several members who have posted within this thread expressing an interest. it would be a shame to see this thread go the way of the other one, and although i have very firm opinions about why that thread went the way it did, i certainly do not want to contribute to this one going the same way. i therefore respectfully withdraw my request for a reading.

you did make mention of Tarot being even more powerful, so i will simply await the interesting comments that follow.

More words come to mind. Stop turning this into a personal matter - you were advised politely by PM and now publicly on the Forum. There won't be a third chance Bobby.

Thank you Mandrake.

Please don't ruin this informative and interesting thread guys...

I once got my palm read a week ago. She said to be careful because my life will be at risk very soon. She was crazy anyway.....I hope...

Bobbycat - I assure you, what I told you is something Mark already knows.

What Mark is referring to in my PM to him is something quite different that only he knows (and Craig would infer).

FWIW, I am currently doing EZ's girlfriends palms from a scan, somebody I have never met nor ready a post from etc. Someone completely unknown to me. However she is quite a character and I'm confident I will be v close in my assessment.

card_shark_2006 wrote:I once got my palm read a week ago. She said to be careful because my life will be at risk very soon. She was crazy anyway.....I hope...

Ignore the witch. It's a typical ploy. If something happens you'll think she was amazing. If nothing does, it's because you were careful. She can't lose but is talking nonsense.

Sleep well.

hmmm... whatever the case Ian.

anyway, i 100% agree with what you said in yr PM... and i "understand".

furthermore, i have respectfully withdrawn my request for a reading even though i have no doubt that Mark would have done a most excellent one. certainly i agree with many of you who have said how this sort of thing can be a wonderful add on to one's magic because of people's fascination with it. i will work on developing some skills of my own with it... just for fun.

i apologise that it seems to have become a little tense here. being called a decendant of convincts doesn't bother me even though the author knows it not to be true. similarly, being misquoted is not something i shall not lose any sleep over, even though some seem to focus more attention on the misquote than the original quote. i should have remembered how important "misdirection" can be in magic.

and in case you missed it, i did think the layout of your reading was excellent... but you already knew that right? and seems like Eckozero thought you made some good points, which is very impressive.

I must inform Bobbycat that it is very unwise to criticise egomaniacs like myself. Whether about my layout, computer skills or anything else. I do not require criticism of any kind. I only require pure and unadulterated praise and hero worship. Once he understands this then we shall get on fine.

His messages seem a little testy. Alas I do not think he understands humour. I rather think he needs to get a sense of it.

I don't believe he had the slightest intention of paying me any money in the first place for a reading. I have noticed that sceptics seem terribly averse to testing psychics when they have to pay for it.

I did not want a private message. I always want an audience. It is the nature of the beast I am afraid.

I do not know that you are not a descendant of convicts. In fact I know you are. As a matter of fact I have been speaking to your great great grandfather in the spirit world and he is most disappointed in you being such a goody two shoes. He was an axe murderer in the century before last and feels you are letting down the family name by denying your criminal ancestry.

Now about your test. I do not know if I would have agreed to it since I have no idea what it was. I am not psychic you know.

Oops. Forget that last sentence.

Now I suggest that you inform me as to what your test is and I will tell you whether I would agree to it or not.

As to not reading properly I would suggest that is YOUR deficiency rather than mine. I didn't say that I wouldn't take your little test. I merely said that I was lukewarm towards it.

Do pay attention in future old chap.

There is no danger of this thread turning acrimonious. It takes two to fight. I am having far too much fun to have a war.

nice to hear from you again Mark. my observations based on your post:

quoting Mark Lewis: I must inform Bobbycat that it is very unwise to criticise egomaniacs like myself. Whether about my layout, computer skills or anything else. I do not require criticism of any kind. I only require pure and unadulterated praise and hero worship. Once he understands this then we shall get on fine.

your layout was wonderful, your reading inspiring and your insite a marvel. (OK?)

quoting Mark Lewis: His messages seem a little testy. Alas I do not think he understands humour. I rather think he needs to get a sense of it.

one who's tounge spends so much time planted firmly in one's cheek should recognise one.

quoting Mark Lewis: I don't believe he had the slightest intention of paying me any money in the first place for a reading. I have noticed that sceptics seem terribly averse to testing psychics when they have to pay for it.

i dont believe you would have sent me the reading without payment, therefore we're even...

quoting Mark Lewis: I did not want a private message. I always want an audience. It is the nature of the beast I am afraid.

noted.

quoting Mark Lewis: I do not know that you are not a descendant of convicts. In fact I know you are. As a matter of fact I have been speaking to your great great grandfather in the spirit world and he is most disappointed in you being such a goody two shoes. He was an axe murderer in the century before last and feels you are letting down the family name by denying your criminal ancestry.

this was explained clearly in a previous thread we enjoyed together... the Ellusionist one if i am not mistaken. you remember... i explained that i had Austrian, Italian background and you reminded me how they lost the war etc...

quoting Mark Lewis: Now about your test. I do not know if I would have agreed to it since I have no idea what it was. I am not psychic you know.

ha! i know...

quoting Mark Lewis: Oops. Forget that last sentence.

what sentence???

quoting Mark Lewis: Now I suggest that you inform me as to what your test is and I will tell you whether I would agree to it or not.

unfortunately, i have had it explained to me by powers within this forum, who's power here extends far greater than mine... perhaps even your's... that there will be no such test, task, challenge, or in fact anything of the sort.

quoting Mark Lewis: As to not reading properly I would suggest that is YOUR deficiency rather than mine. I didn't say that I wouldn't take your little test. I merely said that I was lukewarm towards it.

r e a d i n g p r o p e r l y... would you care to show me where i said that??? please dont be making up stories Mark. it gets me in trouble.

quoting Mark Lewis: Do pay attention in future old chap.

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quoting Mark Lewis: There is no danger of this thread turning acrimonious. It takes two to fight. I am having far too much fun to have a war.

that's what i thought, but i have been warned to pull my head in a little, and all joking aside, this is a solid interesting thread that i dont want to see shut down. not everyone can do the verbel jousting as well as you, and i fear the potential for people to take things the wrong way could see things get personal... no, not between you and i... mind you you and i weren't the problem last time. in fact if anyone cared to study the last thread, they would know that you actually "chipped" in at a timely fashion to help defuse things a little. that impressed me. anyway, 3 strikes and you're out and it's been made clear the count is presently 2 for me so i am just being nice at the moment. forgive me for that...

It appears that I am not going to get any money out of you after all. I have therefore lost enthusiasm for this conversation.

Talking about getting money out of people I am shortly going to post a review of my wondrous psychic course by someone independent. This person was the moderator of an online cold reading group. Not that I have the slightest idea what cold reading is of course.

For the moment however my attention has been directed elsewhere and I must inform the card shark fellow that the reader who dealt with him was talking baloney.

I don't want him to wander around in a worried state after all.