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any indication of the pricing Seige?

I'm really annoyed, because I'm leaving for Holland on monday for a couple of weeks so i will probaly miss the fist lot of Gaffs from NUMS, but Seige do you think it will be a long time befor you would get a second shipment of gaffs???


Cheers

1. For pricing info, PM me. I don't want to disclose my offer in public.

2. The first batch will be on a first-come, first-served basis.

3. Only one deck per customer.

4. Ordering will be through the NUMS website only, I don't want offers in any other way

5. When stocks run out, you can still pre-order for the next batch

6. Please direct all questions to me via PM. I don't really want any more in the forum!

Rich Lehmann wrote:Yes and I hate to be the one to break this to you but there is no such thing as "real" magic. Practice as much as you will you will never actually be able to rearrange the spelling on the box with just your finger. You will never be like Harry Potter. I'm sorry but it's true.

I totally feel the same way! I tell anyone i perform magic tricks to... they sometimes reply: "That was a great magic trick". I will always say there is no such thing as magic and it's just an illusion and deception. However I do take this art very seriously, but I am not a fan of beleiving in real, true magic.

seige wrote:The point you're missing is that the magic happens in their minds. You ARE creating true magic—but the magic is the moment and the emotion. Personally, when I don't feel that 'magic moment' of wonder, I feel I've failed.

So yes, you ARE creating true magic. And there is such a thing. But, just not in the way people think. Magic to me is the expression on someone's face when you perform an effect.

You're speaking psychologically when I was coming from a strictly physical perspective.

mafiosoromano wrote:

Rich Lehmann wrote:Yes and I hate to be the one to break this to you but there is no such thing as "real" magic. Practice as much as you will you will never actually be able to rearrange the spelling on the box with just your finger. You will never be like Harry Potter. I'm sorry but it's true.

I totally feel the same way! I tell anyone i perform magic tricks to... they sometimes reply: "That was a great magic trick". I will always say there is no such thing as magic and it's just an illusion and deception. However I do take this art very seriously, but I am not a fan of beleiving in real, true magic.

The thing is that there are a lot of people that DO IN FACT believe there IS magic - and as a MAGICIAN you shouldn't let them down!!! It's the problem I face every day - I have to carefully choose which effects I show to which people. If I'm doing something for my friends, family, or co-workers, I would NEVER use a trick like Tricycle or many gaffed cards with zippers or moved pips, etc... nor will I try to levitate. These people KNOW me - they know I'm a normal guy... I can impress them with a trick because they'll be wondering how I did it, but if I make artwork on a box change they'll automatically know it was gaffed.

If, however, I do things for strangers who have no pre-conceived knowledge of who I really am, I can pull off a whole lot more - because to them, I can be a real magician who has secret powers!

My deck came yesterday, and I must say there are quite a few really sweet cards in here. A few too many prediction-based cards for my liking, but overall I am more than pleased with them, and quite a few will instantly work their way into my card work.

I take back my comments about the zipper card. Even left handed, I found no problem performing the illusion of opening the zipper - so disregard my comments (Although I still say that righty is keeping us down).

They tossed in the Master Deck Ace of Spades which is a swanky card if ever there was one. I'll be buying the Master Edition Deck just for the ace alone.

Another cool standout is the bicycle backed Tally-Ho Ace of Spades. Some cool stuff will come from those.

If anyone wants, I can do a quick review detailing what kind of cards you get. Let me know.

Demitri,

A review would be helpful mate... was hopefully going to get these from NUMS and I would like to hear a review from someone I know is going to be honest about the pros and cons of the deck.

Cheers!

I can think of a million gags for these, but I'm being good and waiting for a dollop of cash to come in before I succumb to CUPS and buy everything from this to two (count them!) self-tying shoelaces...

azraelws6 wrote:The thing is that there are a lot of people that DO IN FACT believe there IS magic - and as a MAGICIAN you shouldn't let them down!!!

No person in their right mind beleives in true magic, unless of course you want to take into account all those moronic occultists and blind drunk idiots who roam the streets late at night...

Or.. unless you only perform for small children who don't know any better at their age or sadly adults in the same situation...

Why do you think someone asks you to show them the trick again? They know something's up, they want to see what you're doing the second time around to catch you in the act and to set their mind at ease as to what you were up to.

Of course this is debatable, but I beleive in fooling people, utilizing misdirection, and creating illusions/trickery.. hence a magic trick is born, but there is nothing magical about it, only deception. When someone asks me how it's done, a dilemma forms and I can do any of the following plus some more:

1. Pronounce that it was true magic and laugh, hoping they aren't taking me seriously.

2. Walk away.

3. Tell them as much truth plausible without giving away the secret. By this I mean telling them the truth: "It was an illusion". In this case, you aren't saying magic forces were at work, nor are you denouncing the term magic.

My thoughts after the performance: The secret is what they want out of you, if you give it away, you're just not a very smart individual. If you leave someone in wonderment and fascination, it fills you, the magician with a sense of accomplishment, because after all, that is our gain. It will kill these people wondering how you did it, because physically what they have probably just witnessed was impossible and mind-blowing. In the future, they will tell people about you, spread the word, and most likely ask you to perform magic everytime they run into you. If they're left knowing how it was done, there's nothing special left, you're just another normal person among the masses.

mafiosoromano... I do believe you're perhaps missing the point of the conversation here!

mafiosoromano wrote: Why do you think someone asks you to show them the trick again? They know something's up, they want to see what you're doing the second time around to catch you in the act and to set their mind at ease as to what you were up to.

I don't mean to change the topic of this thread... but not everybody asks that question.

What about the people who FREAK OUT and run away - and don't want to talk to you anymore because they're scared? Have you every had people like that see your tricks? I HAVE.... (and it's priceless!!) They're not scared because you performed a sleight or have deceived them - they're scared because they think you have special powers! If only all spectators were like that! In other words, any layperson understands if you ask them to pick a card and then replace it in the deck and produce it somehow (even though it seemed to THEM that it was completely fair) they still reason that SOMEHOW you managed to mark their card or hold it in a certain place or whatever. They figure it's a sleight of some kind. But when you put a coin in a bottle, or you levitate, or you saw a thread through your neck, or you make something move by "the force" - most people who don't know you will freak out and not let their kids near you!

mafiosoromano wrote:No person in their right mind beleives in true magic, unless of course you want to take into account all those moronic occultists and blind drunk idiots who roam the streets late at night...

On the contrary, ordinary people are capable of believing as truth absolutely anything they can imagine. I get the impression you mean that you can't understand why others don't hold your beliefs. It's hard to do, but sometimes you have to let others make their own mistakes.

I've also met quite a few people who simply want to believe it's magic. And watch every trick as if they were 6 years old. I have a friend who's like this that I show tricks to not to see if my performance can be held up to examination but to see how big a "wow factor" a trick has before deciding to dedicate the time needed to getting a trick flawless.

But even my most suspicious and critical of friends I've been able to get a "...ok, that's scary good. I don't like that kind of trick." Heck, even I recently saw someone perform a card trick that made me yell out a swear word by mistake infornt of a little kid.

Which brings me to another point (sorry a lot of points today) can anyone share advice on the best technique for spinning a card on the tip of your finger. Practice as I might I still cant do it. Or point me in the right direction for what type of color change might be used to have that card change while it spins on your finger face up? (I found it down right swear worthy)

seige wrote:mafiosoromano... I do believe you're perhaps missing the point of the conversation here!

I saw a quote I felt I needed to respond to... kind of like what's happening right now.. I don't understand how I am missing the point of my own conversation.