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They were also out of "leaving home" which is just as well cause I have a feeling it might be a CUPs purchase along with "mercuring" which I also had a eye on. The only other two jay sankey dvds I was interested in were "amazing magic and mentalism" and "create your own magic" which I ordered.

I read the email too and felt disapointed in Sankey considering the fuss that he made about Penguin. We did of course only hear one side of that conversation at the time but I have to say that from a personal perspective I am a little more skeptical of Jays version of events.

If you're relying on a network of dealers to sell your products then you have to maintain a good relationship with them as they're taking the risk in buying products that may not sell. I've dealt with Magic Tricks for years and think highly of them as a magic dealer and business so I'm with them on this one and believe the decision is right and justified.

Ultimately, he's bitten the hand that feeds him a little too hard.

have you also noticed that jay sankeys tricks are spread across a numberous amount of sites,

what im trying to say is his tricks were never all availalble off one site, so it was diffcicult to know how many tricks he released

dat8962 wrote:Ultimately, he's bitten the hand that feeds him a little too hard.

I do think you've summed it up rather nicely there, Dat. The sheer amount of stuff he produces and the number of dealers he has would surely mean he's got a robust, parallel operation in place, so why start squeezing the dealers untill the pips squeek? I'm thinking greed, and I'd rather not.

there was a thread some time ago regarding Jay Sankey and his relationship with Penguin. many people here took the opportunity to dump on Penguin and blame them. interesting how things play out...

take a look at the number of people who simply assumed it was all one sided cut and dry Sankey good... Penguin bad.

there is always more than one side to any story.

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B0bbY_CaT wrote:there was a thread some time ago regarding Jay Sankey and his relationship with Penguin. many people here took the opportunity to dump on Penguin and blame them. interesting how things play out...

take a look at the number of people who simply assumed it was all one sided cut and dry Sankey good... Penguin bad.

there is always more than one side to any story.

Well, with respect, that was a different story. Sankey was being dumped on then by people who couldn't see that if they sign a contract they have to abide by it. Unlike Penguin Magic, MagicTricks.co.uk has a very good reputation amongst the magical community. Carl's explaining that Sankey's new contract is far too restrictive (and is possibly even illegal in the UK due to price fixing legislation) and is pulling out, giving perfectly good reasons why. I've even interviewed him and he's a good bloke and not simply out to collapse a house of cards for a quick buck like Penguin were.

Hopefully we'll hear JAys side of things in the near future. Im on his mailing list, but not heard anything yet

Tomo wrote:

Well, with respect, that was a different story. Sankey was being dumped on then by people who couldn't see that if they sign a contract they have to abide by it. Unlike Penguin Magic, MagicTricks.co.uk has a very good reputation amongst the magical community. Carl's explaining that Sankey's new contract is far too restrictive (and is possibly even illegal in the UK due to price fixing legislation) and is pulling out, giving perfectly good reasons why. I've even interviewed him and he's a good bloke and not simply out to collapse a house of cards for a quick buck like Penguin were.

Tomo, the similarity is this. Jay Sanky accused Penguin of not wanting to agree to price fixing. the other similarity is a Magician VS an eRetailer. the difference of course being the "auto pilot" side taking despite the fact that in BOTH cases, this one... Sankey vs Magic Tricks UK and also the earlier one... Sankey vs Penguin magic people have quickly taken sides without knowing all the facts.

take a look at an excert of the original Sankey vs Penguin thread, this below was attributed to Jay Sankey himself:

For the first few weeks of September they posted many of my products at lower-than-agreed upon prices and undercut all the other authorized dealers they had just agreed to work together with!!
(In fact, up until the time of this e-mail, if you go to the very first page
of the "Jay Sankey Store" on their US website, you'll see that they CONTINUE to advertise "Three Ring Circus" for $30 -instead of the agreed upon price of $40 that all my other dealers are selling it at!)

price fixing is illegal!!! now in reference to Penguin Magic, i personally have only dealt with them twice so i am not in an ideal position to pass judgement on them, however i can say in both cases there prices were good and their service excellent.

B0bbY_CaT wrote:Tomo, the similarity is this. Jay Sanky accused Penguin of not wanting to agree to price fixing.

Woah, hang on. We need to get some perspective here. Penguin were, by all accounts, screwing every other Sankey Magic stockist by trying to keep on dealing and yet massively undercut the market. Carl is simply dropping out of stocking Jay's stuff. Jay's contracts have become too rich up front for him to continue when he's not that big a part of their income, that's all. He's overcooked the new contract, it seems. That's all. There's no actual animosity between them - it's just the end of a business agreement.

I dont know if this as anything to do with the contract running out but i just purchased sleight of hand by Jay Sankey today off magictricks.co.uk for £4.99 which i thought was strange because it is £20 everywhere else. I now no why.

As one door closes, another one opens. Courtesy of magicweek.co.uk:

Kernow Magic are pleased to announce that they have just signed an agreement with Jay Sankey making them one of only four authorised Sankey dealers in the UK. The new partnership will commence with the release of a brand new effect - Moving Violation. "It looks like something out of science fiction movie! The performer opens a small wallet to show a business card featuring a hypnotic printed pattern with a small hole near one end. Then slowly, very slowly, the hole impossibly melts its way across the entire length of the card!" For more information visit www.kernowmagic.co.uk.

Who are the other three?

Misanthropy wrote:Who are the other three?

This is interestng. Googling UK pages currently shows more than three UK dealers...

Tomo wrote:

Woah, hang on. We need to get some perspective here. Penguin were, by all accounts, screwing every other Sankey Magic stockist by trying to keep on dealing and yet massively undercut the market.

keep on dealing? JS has the ability to stop selling his product to PM or not. on the surface it seems he wanted the Penguin biz but didn't like their discounting. so either forgo the Penguin biz or stop complaining... but dont whine.

the subsequent allegation attributed to JS in the original PM vs JS post was in reference to the fact PM had not bought certain lines for more than a year yet still listed them on their "best sellers" list. very naive to think the only things that make any eRetailer's best seller list are in fact "best sellers"... excessive stock lines also find their way onto a best seller list... as do items you dont have... show them at a cheap price, unfortunately you are out of stock, you appear "generally cheap". sly marketing? sure. guilty of counterfeiting... come on...

bottom line, if JS thinks (as was alluded to in the original post) PM may be selling counterfeit product... it is NOT a complicated process to check it out. so check it out properly or dont make such accusations.

anyways, all this proves that "we" as a community often jump on bandwagons without facts. any doubt? read the previous thread... people promissing to bouycot PM simply because of this issue. i am not saying PM are good or bad (although in my limited experience they have been excellent), i am simply saying that OBVIOUSLY we are not armed with enough facts to "of itself" call for a bouycot on PM. if you have OTHER reasons not to buy from a retailer... fine. but dont let "this" be the reason.

in reference to JS and Magic Tricks UK, i just found it interesting that everyone seemed to instantly side with the retailer instead of with JS this time. just an "observation"... nothing more. oh, there is one other thing... i think Jay Sankey's work is excellent!

I have just heard that one of the new dealers has pulled out already. Wanted to buy the latest Hijacked but was told they wouldn't be supplying any more and to use one of the other ones.
Does anyone know any more about this, I am a newbie really, what was the thing with Penguin, I have bought with them.
Ta for now