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Bye - bye to cigarette magic?

Postby gunnarkr » Sep 8th, '06, 18:07



A friend of mine in New York went to a gathering and like in every good gathering, there was a magician performing. After 5 minutes or so, he took out a cigarette and did all kinds of cool tricks with it and then... lit it. As soon as he lit it, the manager of the place went directly to the stage and told the magician that he could not have a lit cigarette in the place. They poor guy told him he needed a lit cigarette for his next trick, but there was no way he got permission. According to my friend, the poor magician was completely thrown off by this and did a few more tricks before leaving.
This was just a public cathering for people working together...
Is this a fact when a city or a country forbids smoking? Can't it be done at all?
I don't smoke myself and I've never done a cigarette trick, but I've seen many good sleight of hand tricks with a cigarette, both lit and unlit... just wondering :)

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Postby David The Cryptic » Sep 8th, '06, 18:11

It is the law, no smoking in side most public places here in the us.

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Postby Tomo » Sep 8th, '06, 18:12

Gosh! Are cigarettes now weapons of mass destruction? :shock:

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Postby Delude » Sep 8th, '06, 18:39

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Postby Jerome the French » Sep 8th, '06, 18:59

You could replace cigarette with something else... i dunno small pens?
With all the smoking bans going on in more and more countries which is a great thing if you ask me), cigies' magic will slowly die...
Maybe Nico patch tricks will be on the way up (damn, that could be a cool transformation at the end for a cigarette routine)...
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Postby king_of_keighley » Sep 8th, '06, 19:05

i think that cigarette magic is slowly dying out. In New York as in Scotland, smoking in public places is banned. It will be in the rest of the UK within a year.

I think the idea that using a cigarette to portray something as cool may be seen as irresponsible, to link something well-liked and entertaining to something which kills you isn't really acceptable anymore. Not only that there are less and less poeple wanting to see tricks with a cigarette, as inevitable less and less people smoke or consider it acceptable.

At the blackpool convention last year my friend was asking Michael Ammar about an appearing cigarette trick he used to do and where he could get the gimmick, Michael went on to explain that basically cigarette magic, is really frowned upon in a lot of circles now and as a performer he prefers to avoid it completely.

I have a lot of friends who smoke and i used to myself so im not part of the anti-smoking lobby.

Is Cigarette magic harmless entertainment? possibly, but times move on and thngs that were acceptable are no longer, look at the minstrel show for example.

I think we may be seeing the end to cigarette magic in official performances....down the pub on a saturday night?....not for a while...or until the ban.

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Postby gunnarkr » Sep 8th, '06, 19:52

Jerome the French wrote:Maybe Nico patch tricks will be on the way up (damn, that could be a cool transformation at the end for a cigarette routine)...
te he he

That's really funny :D
It would be a great ending for an act.
But some tricks depend on the smoke for misdirection, so pens or "smokeless" objects won't do the trick there.

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Postby Tomo » Sep 8th, '06, 20:29

Thinking deeper, this really gets me, you know. I mean, they're banning smoking from public places where adults gather, so why not screaming children too?

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Postby David The Cryptic » Sep 8th, '06, 20:32

Tomo wrote:Thinking deeper, this really gets me, you know. I mean, they're banning smoking from public places where adults gather, so why not screaming children too?


like movie theaters, no one under the age of 5, maybe four. i hate those parents who bring little and i mean kids that wont remember the movie, to the damn movie and they start crying or yelling or talking. :x

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Postby Tomo » Sep 8th, '06, 21:52

Yeah, and when you're five, NOTHING is your business. You're not a little adult despite what the sticker says in mummy's car. You're a witless midget.

Ahem.

I can't remember who originally did this joke but:

I was in a pub the other day, reading the paper, enjoying a pint, and minding my own business, and this woman's toddler was running around, screaming its head off and throwing food about like it had missed Christmas.

So I tapped her on the cleavage and asked quietly, "Excuse me, madam. Have you just slapped this child?"

And she said, "no, of course not!"

So I asked her why the hell not...

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Postby Demitri » Sep 8th, '06, 22:06

David The Cryptic wrote:
Tomo wrote:Thinking deeper, this really gets me, you know. I mean, they're banning smoking from public places where adults gather, so why not screaming children too?


like movie theaters, no one under the age of 5, maybe four. i hate those parents who bring little and i mean kids that wont remember the movie, to the damn movie and they start crying or yelling or talking. :x


UGH! Amen, David. It's not bad enough that the tickets are too high-priced, the last two times in a row I went to the movies - TWO (each time, people) TWO mothers had their babies with them in baby carriages!!! None of these kids older than 1 year, and both movies were playing at 10:30PM (Which I chose specifically to avoid this exact scenario).

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Postby Misanthropy » Sep 8th, '06, 22:47

Demitri wrote:
David The Cryptic wrote:
Tomo wrote:Thinking deeper, this really gets me, you know. I mean, they're banning smoking from public places where adults gather, so why not screaming children too?


like movie theaters, no one under the age of 5, maybe four. i hate those parents who bring little and i mean kids that wont remember the movie, to the damn movie and they start crying or yelling or talking. :x


UGH! Amen, David. It's not bad enough that the tickets are too high-priced, the last two times in a row I went to the movies - TWO (each time, people) TWO mothers had their babies with them in baby carriages!!! None of these kids older than 1 year, and both movies were playing at 10:30PM (Which I chose specifically to avoid this exact scenario).


Some cinemas here have special mother and baby only viewings but you have to ask yourself what baby would want to see the village? If you wanted to see a film and had a baby wouldn't you dump it off on someone else for a couple of hours or better yet not have babies if you want to see any films or have any sort of life for the next 18 years :lol:
I tend to prefer dvds because everytime you go to the cinema theres always someone who sits behind you talking all throughout the movie :cry:
I think this has gone offtopic somewhat. I don't smoke but I bought a pack of cigarettes to practise the cig through £1 trick. I'm all for banning smoking as I think its a disgusting habit and causes cancer.

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Postby Tomo » Sep 8th, '06, 23:04

Misanthropy wrote:Some cinemas here have special mother and baby only viewings but you have to ask yourself what baby would want to see the village?

Well, you know, some people are just generally stupid. They anthropomorphise these little bundles of noise and poo into something more than the witless, defenceless little pink love-bundles they actually are. And there's always a charltan telling the parents that whatever it is they want to hear is OK in pursuit of a "lifestyle".

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Postby MattVonFat » Sep 9th, '06, 01:00

The cigarette thing is a shame, they have a nice atmosphere to them even though they may not be considered as cool. I got Sankey's "The Art of Slight of Hand" a few days ago and I haven't been able to stop watching Colin Bartlett's piece in it. It wouldn't be the same with a pen.

Speaking of Colin Bartlett does he have some sort of site or anything? The only mention of him on the internet seems to be on sites selling "The Art of Slight of Hand"

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Postby Misanthropy » Sep 9th, '06, 01:18

How about a rolled up bill?

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