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Hi all,

If this is in the wrong section I apologise! I'm still familiarising myself with the forum.. could a moderator move/delete if necessary!

Anyway.....I should be getting Modern Coin Magic and Royal Road to Card Magic books in the next few days. It's really exciting but being a complete beginner I've no idea what to expect!!!

Obviously they are both hefty books in their respected genres and I'm not sure which one to start with? Or what's best to start with? Does it matter?

I'm considering Modern Coin Magic as that's the one I fancy but I don't want to run before I can walk. How much practice does it take to perform a basic coin trick? I assume its a lot of effort over a long period of time before I can perfect one properly? Could I practice anything at my desk during lunch hours to help with mastering any of the tricks?

I'm just really excited about getting these books and am probably being impatient waiting for them so thought I'd ask on here!!

Also I'm quite embarrassed to admit that I don't really know of many magicians ....which ones are worth checking out performing Coin and Card Tricks?!

Cheers guys,
Adam

This may be down to individuals and how they are with different mediums. Personally I find coin magic quite difficult to get the hang of and requires lots of practice.
Card magic on the other hand can range from self working to knuckle busting but many self workers are great effect.
Yes there are probably self working coin effects but most are gimmicked.

At the end of the day though you have to go with what you really want to perform. No medium is for everyone which is what makes each performer different. Cardies, coinies, mentalists, stage, close up etc. it all comes down to how to you wish too express yourself.

AS far as performing goes there are too many to mention but personally I would look on a video sharing site and look for names such as Slydini, Michael Ammar, Kapps, Dean Dill.....oooooh so many

Why not get yourself Mark Wilson's Complete Course, there's both a card and a coin section in there. It doesn't cover as much as either Bobo or Royal Road but would give you a good introduction into both.

Lady of Mystery wrote:Why not get yourself Mark Wilson's Complete Course, there's both a card and a coin section in there. It doesn't cover as much as either Bobo or Royal Road but would give you a good introduction into both.

Hmmm good idea but I've already ordered Bobos and Royal Road. Maybe after I've got through those two! Unless of course I don't get on with either of them!!

greedoniz wrote:This may be down to individuals and how they are with different mediums. Personally I find coin magic quite difficult to get the hang of and requires lots of practice.
Card magic on the other hand can range from self working to knuckle busting but many self workers are great effect.
Yes there are probably self working coin effects but most are gimmicked.

At the end of the day though you have to go with what you really want to perform. No medium is for everyone which is what makes each performer different. Cardies, coinies, mentalists, stage, close up etc. it all comes down to how to you wish too express yourself.

AS far as performing goes there are too many to mention but personally I would look on a video sharing site and look for names such as Slydini, Michael Ammar, Kapps, Dean Dill.....oooooh so many

Thanks I'll check those out

Mark Wilson's book in paperback is on sale for about a tenner, sometimes including P&P, sometimes not, and contains hundreds of ideas and routines. Well worth putting on your 'must buy' list .

Mandrake wrote:Mark Wilson's book in paperback is on sale for about a tenner, sometimes including P&P, sometimes not, and contains hundreds of ideas and routines. Well worth putting on your 'must buy' list .

Just checked it out - this one yeah??

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mark-Wilsons-Co ... 66-0774306

Worth getting as well as Bobo and Royal Road then? I'll have too much to read

That's the one. With those three books you'll have enough ammo for a full time career in magic if you want!

Mandrake wrote:That's the one. With those three books you'll have enough ammo for a full time career in magic if you want!

Cool man!!

My main short term aim is to get down a good coin vanish or reveal. I'll start small and work my way up!

I'm expecting this to be really really really difficult to master though... I hope it's not to frustrating!

You may find that at the same time as learning sleights that take practice you will also find it helpful to keep your enthusiam up to also learn self working or virtually self working routines at the same time.
When I first started I saw all this magic I wanted to perform but couldn't get all the moves I need practiced quick enough. The easier material whilestart you off performing for people whilst you work on the more knacky elements in private.

greedoniz wrote:You may find that at the same time as learning sleights that take practice you will also find it helpful to keep your enthusiam up to also learn self working or virtually self working routines at the same time.
When I first started I saw all this magic I wanted to perform but couldn't get all the moves I need practiced quick enough. The easier material whilestart you off performing for people whilst you work on the more knacky elements in private.

Silly question for you what do you mean by -

"learn self working or virtually self working routines"?

Some card magic for example requires little or no skill to perform therefore you are able to perform it after a short while working on the performance.
I only say this because if you just work on certain effects that need a skill or multiple skills that requires lots of practice it can mean you cannot perform for people be that family or friends for quite some time and this can be disheartening to a new comer to magic.

Self working tricks are ones that are very simple and require no or very few sleights. Similar to the good old 3 burglars trick. There are some nice ones in each of those books

greedoniz wrote:Some card magic for example requires little or no skill to perform therefore you are able to perform it after a short while working on the performance.
I only say this because if you just work on certain effects that need a skill or multiple skills that requires lots of practice it can mean you cannot perform for people be that family or friends for quite some time and this can be disheartening to a new comer to magic.

It's all getting a bit more involved now then. Basically it's as much about the performance as it is the trick?

IMHO it's all about performance!